On 09/11/2010 16:12, Mr Pounder wrote:
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On 09/11/2010 11:17, d wrote:
Can someone explain to me why those retards with blue lights on their
heads had to close off 4 out of 5 lanes on the westbound A406 at the M1
turn
off just because a 7.5 tonner had got stuck on a crash barrier? The
traffic
jams were epic and all they used the closed off lanes for was to park
their
plodmobiles in and stand around looking useless until presumably a
recovery truck turned up.

****ing morons.

B2003



On the face of it, that does appear to be very ott of the plod.

Bod

Years ago the police said that they would take drastic action on the roads.
This being to teach us all a lesson in being more careful.

Mr Pounder



Kev? Any comment on Mr Pounder's statement above?

Bod

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On 09/11/2010 16:12, Mr Pounder wrote:
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On 09/11/2010 11:17, d wrote:
Can someone explain to me why those retards with blue lights on their
heads had to close off 4 out of 5 lanes on the westbound A406 at the M1
turn
off just because a 7.5 tonner had got stuck on a crash barrier? The
traffic
jams were epic and all they used the closed off lanes for was to park
their
plodmobiles in and stand around looking useless until presumably a
recovery truck turned up.

****ing morons.

B2003



On the face of it, that does appear to be very ott of the plod.

Bod

Years ago the police said that they would take drastic action on the
roads.
This being to teach us all a lesson in being more careful.

Mr Pounder



Kev? Any comment on Mr Pounder's statement above?

Bod

Seems not.
Also seems that the other posters have a shorter memory than I.
Or maybe they are just younger than I.

Mr Pounder

Mr Pounder wrote:
"bod" wrote in message
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On 09/11/2010 16:12, Mr Pounder wrote:
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On 09/11/2010 11:17, d wrote:
Can someone explain to me why those retards with blue lights on
their heads had to close off 4 out of 5 lanes on the westbound
A406 at the M1 turn
off just because a 7.5 tonner had got stuck on a crash barrier?
The traffic
jams were epic and all they used the closed off lanes for was to
park their
plodmobiles in and stand around looking useless until presumably a
recovery truck turned up.

****ing morons.

B2003



On the face of it, that does appear to be very ott of the plod.

Bod

Years ago the police said that they would take drastic action on the
roads.
This being to teach us all a lesson in being more careful.

Mr Pounder



Kev? Any comment on Mr Pounder's statement above?

Bod

Seems not.
Also seems that the other posters have a shorter memory than I.
Or maybe they are just younger than I.

I have now responded to the query.

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Kev

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Mr Pounder wrote:
"bod" wrote in message
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On 09/11/2010 16:12, Mr Pounder wrote:
wrote in message
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On 09/11/2010 11:17, d wrote:
Can someone explain to me why those retards with blue lights on
their heads had to close off 4 out of 5 lanes on the westbound
A406 at the M1 turn
off just because a 7.5 tonner had got stuck on a crash barrier?
The traffic
jams were epic and all they used the closed off lanes for was to
park their
plodmobiles in and stand around looking useless until presumably a
recovery truck turned up.

****ing morons.

B2003



On the face of it, that does appear to be very ott of the plod.

Bod

Years ago the police said that they would take drastic action on the
roads.
This being to teach us all a lesson in being more careful.

Mr Pounder



Kev? Any comment on Mr Pounder's statement above?

Bod

Seems not.
Also seems that the other posters have a shorter memory than I.
Or maybe they are just younger than I.

I have now responded to the query.

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Kev

Who are you calling a query?????!!!!!

Mr Pounder

bod wrote:
On 09/11/2010 16:12, Mr Pounder wrote:
wrote in message
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On 09/11/2010 11:17, d wrote:
Can someone explain to me why those retards with blue lights on
their heads had to close off 4 out of 5 lanes on the westbound
A406 at the M1 turn
off just because a 7.5 tonner had got stuck on a crash barrier? The
traffic
jams were epic and all they used the closed off lanes for was to
park their
plodmobiles in and stand around looking useless until presumably a
recovery truck turned up.

****ing morons.

B2003



On the face of it, that does appear to be very ott of the plod.

Bod

Years ago the police said that they would take drastic action on the
roads. This being to teach us all a lesson in being more careful.

Mr Pounder



Kev? Any comment on Mr Pounder's statement above?

Difficult to comment upon this particular incident without being in
possession of the full facts - but I can assure you that traffic police will
never close off a major route for any longer than necessary because it
simply causes more problems for them on surrounding roads.

I don't know what load this truck was carrying - but if it was hazardous -
or there had been a spill of load across the road, they are reasons for for
closing the road. Also - if people are killed, or so seriously injured that
they might die, then the scene has to be extensively photographed and
triangulation measurements taken for the production of accurate plans of the
accident scene. Also any skid marks will need to be measured and the
co-efficient of friction of the road surface calculated. This sort of
investigation cannot easily be done with other traffic streaming past.

The sort of heading on this thread is usually posted by people who are
simply ignorant of what is required in relation to accident investigation.

I repeat, however, that it is the intention of traffic police always to get
normal traffic moving again as quickly as possible. To suggest that they
block off major routes for no good reason is a nonsense.

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Kev

In message , Ret.
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I repeat, however, that it is the intention of traffic police always to
get normal traffic moving again as quickly as possible. To suggest that
they block off major routes for no good reason is a nonsense.

I'm sure that, in most cases, it is nonsense.

However, I understand that one of the reasons that the police close
roads which have no obvious 'physical' reason to be closed, is that they
are now initially treating many more accidents as potential crime
scenes. Until they have investigated and looked for evidence, the road
will remain closed as long as deemed necessary. I believe that this was
the reason given for the prolonged closure of a long stretch of the M5,
a couple of years ago.

And, certainly on some occasions, I am not totally convinced that the
police are in the slightest way concerned in the effect of their road
closure has on surrounding traffic. I was recently caught needlessly for
over an hour in a situation where there had been an incident, and the
police had closed the road. This resulted in a queue of traffic well
over a mile long trying to get into town - but nobody was moving. But
was there any police presence at the tail-end of the queue, preventing
motorists from joining it, and diverting them? Of course there wasn't!
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Ian

Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Ret.
writes




I repeat, however, that it is the intention of traffic police always
to get normal traffic moving again as quickly as possible. To
suggest that they block off major routes for no good reason is a
nonsense.
I'm sure that, in most cases, it is nonsense.

However, I understand that one of the reasons that the police close
roads which have no obvious 'physical' reason to be closed, is that
they are now initially treating many more accidents as potential crime
scenes. Until they have investigated and looked for evidence, the road
will remain closed as long as deemed necessary. I believe that this
was the reason given for the prolonged closure of a long stretch of
the M5, a couple of years ago.

And, certainly on some occasions, I am not totally convinced that the
police are in the slightest way concerned in the effect of their road
closure has on surrounding traffic. I was recently caught needlessly
for over an hour in a situation where there had been an incident, and
the police had closed the road. This resulted in a queue of traffic
well over a mile long trying to get into town - but nobody was
moving. But was there any police presence at the tail-end of the
queue, preventing motorists from joining it, and diverting them? Of
course there wasn't!

Perhaps because there weren't any available? Most people have a grossly
inflated view of just how many police officers are on duty at any one time.

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Kev

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:04:21 -0000
"Ret." wrote:
Perhaps because there weren't any available? Most people have a grossly
inflated view of just how many police officers are on duty at any one time.

Well the Met managed to find 5 officers to stand around and look at a
lorry stuck on a barrier when I crawled past it. And those were just the
plods I could see.

B2003

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:00:33 -0000
"Ret." wrote:
Difficult to comment upon this particular incident without being in
possession of the full facts - but I can assure you that traffic police will
never close off a major route for any longer than necessary because it
simply causes more problems for them on surrounding roads.

Sorry if I'm not 100% convinced about that. They seem to close off major
routes and motorways at the drop of a hat these days.

I don't know what load this truck was carrying - but if it was hazardous -
or there had been a spill of load across the road, they are reasons for for

No spill, looked like a bog standard 7.5 tonner.

closing the road. Also - if people are killed, or so seriously injured that
they might die, then the scene has to be extensively photographed and

Unlikely. It had ridden up a few metres onto a divider seperating the
turn off from the main A406. IT wasn't even badly damaged. The worst the
driver would have suffered I suspect would be a bit of whiplash.

triangulation measurements taken for the production of accurate plans of the
accident scene. Also any skid marks will need to be measured and the
co-efficient of friction of the road surface calculated. This sort of
investigation cannot easily be done with other traffic streaming past.

Oh for gods why?? Why this anally retentive forensic measuring of everything?
As long as no one is drunk or dead just clear up the mess and let the insurance
sort it out. Why do the police feel they always need to charge someone with
something? Haven't they got any real criminals to chase?

The sort of heading on this thread is usually posted by people who are
simply ignorant of what is required in relation to accident investigation.

Its actually usually by people who've driven extensively in europe and know
how quickly they manage to clear even serious accidents over there and
generally don't even close the road while they're doing it.

I repeat, however, that it is the intention of traffic police always to get
normal traffic moving again as quickly as possible. To suggest that they
block off major routes for no good reason is a nonsense.

No it isn't.

B2003

d wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:00:33 -0000
"Ret." wrote:
Difficult to comment upon this particular incident without being in
possession of the full facts - but I can assure you that traffic
police will never close off a major route for any longer than
necessary because it simply causes more problems for them on
surrounding roads.

Sorry if I'm not 100% convinced about that. They seem to close off
major routes and motorways at the drop of a hat these days.

I don't know what load this truck was carrying - but if it was
hazardous - or there had been a spill of load across the road, they
are reasons for for

No spill, looked like a bog standard 7.5 tonner.

closing the road. Also - if people are killed, or so seriously
injured that they might die, then the scene has to be extensively
photographed and

Unlikely. It had ridden up a few metres onto a divider seperating the
turn off from the main A406. IT wasn't even badly damaged. The worst
the driver would have suffered I suspect would be a bit of whiplash.

triangulation measurements taken for the production of accurate
plans of the accident scene. Also any skid marks will need to be
measured and the co-efficient of friction of the road surface
calculated. This sort of investigation cannot easily be done with
other traffic streaming past.

Oh for gods why?? Why this anally retentive forensic measuring of
everything? As long as no one is drunk or dead just clear up the mess
and let the insurance sort it out. Why do the police feel they always
need to charge someone with something? Haven't they got any real
criminals to chase?

This will only be done where there is a fatality or the possibility of a
fatality. If a driver caused an accident in which one of your loved ones was
killed, I presume you would want him bringing to justice?


The sort of heading on this thread is usually posted by people who
are simply ignorant of what is required in relation to accident
investigation.

Its actually usually by people who've driven extensively in europe
and know how quickly they manage to clear even serious accidents over
there and generally don't even close the road while they're doing it.

Probably because in much of continental Europe the standard of driving is so
bad that there are considerably more accidents and dealing carefully with
each one would take up too much time?


I repeat, however, that it is the intention of traffic police always
to get normal traffic moving again as quickly as possible. To
suggest that they block off major routes for no good reason is a
nonsense.

No it isn't.

And you qualifications for claiming this are?

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Kev