In message
, at
03:32:34 on Thu, 11 Nov 2010, martin
remarked:

I work shifts. This year, I'm due to work on the morning of December
25th and the 26th. My employer recognises that it's a bit of an
antisocial time to work, so provides transport, an extra payment, and
lays on some food and drink. The policy clearly states that the
payments apply for the 25th and 26th, and not for the Christmas Day /
Boxing Day holiday.

Are they assuming that public transport is back in operation?

(That said, I don't get anything extra for working on a Sunday or
public holiday - do LU workers?)

Dunno, but I don't get paid extra, and have often had to spend Sundays
travelling to overseas meetings, which frequently clash with UK Bank
Holiday Mondays. The only attendees who seem to get their voices heard
are the Americans, who try very hard to make sure dates aren't set which
overlap their public holidays (the meetings in question are rarely held
actually inside USA).
--
Roland Perry

On Nov 11, 1:11*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
03:32:34 on Thu, 11 Nov 2010, martin
remarked:

I work shifts. This year, I'm due to work on the morning of December
25th and the 26th. My employer recognises that it's a bit of an
antisocial time to work, so provides transport, an extra payment, and
lays on some food and drink. The policy clearly states that the
payments apply for the 25th and 26th, and not for the Christmas Day /
Boxing Day holiday.

Are they assuming that public transport is back in operation?

I'm not sure if the transport's part of the written policy; rather
it's a long standing local agreement - if you usually use public
transport to get to work, and it's not running, then they'll pay for
reasonable taxi costs. There's a bit of management discretion involved
too - the year before last, they paid for me to get a cab in for an
early shift on January 1st, even though I could have taken the tube.

Bringing things back on topic, even though we sometimes have to work
over Christmas, and Christmas sometimes falls on a weekend, there's
never a dispute about which day attracts extra payments. Shame a
large employer like LUL hasn't got this sorted.

On Nov 11, 2:17 pm, martin wrote:

On Nov 11, 1:11 pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message
,
at 03:32:34 on Thu, 11 Nov 2010, martin
remarked:

I work shifts. This year, I'm due to work on the morning of December
25th and the 26th. My employer recognises that it's a bit of an
antisocial time to work, so provides transport, an extra payment, and
lays on some food and drink. The policy clearly states that the
payments apply for the 25th and 26th, and not for the Christmas Day /
Boxing Day holiday.

Are they assuming that public transport is back in operation?

I'm not sure if the transport's part of the written policy; rather
it's a long standing local agreement - if you usually use public
transport to get to work, and it's not running, then they'll pay for
reasonable taxi costs. There's a bit of management discretion involved
too - the year before last, they paid for me to get a cab in for an
early shift on January 1st, even though I could have taken the tube.

Bringing things back on topic, even though we sometimes have to work
over Christmas, and Christmas sometimes falls on a weekend, there's
never a dispute about which day attracts extra payments. Shame a
large employer like LUL hasn't got this sorted.


I dare say it is sorted as per the contractual terms, it's just that the
unions like to try and extract that bit extra - indeed, perhaps in previous
years ex-gratia payments have been made (and in a sense that wouldn't be
that different to the concept concept of there being things done outside of
the 'written policy', e.g. some management discretion, 'long standing local
agreement' etc) - and maybe the issue is that nothing of the sort is being
countenanced by LU this year (as the kitty is empty). Add onto that the
general disquiet about the future.

Perhaps the best place to find out more would be the District Dave forum -
plenty of LU staff pop in there. I might ask, if the issue isn't live there
already.

Anyhow, will they pay you for a new set of tyres if you cycle in?

On Nov 11, 2:54*pm, "Mizter T" wrote:

Anyhow, will they pay you for a new set of tyres if you cycle in?

I daresay they wouldn't begrudge me claiming at the HMRC-recommended
rate of 20p per mile. In fact, if the weather's not too bad, I might
just do that...

On Nov 11, 2:17 pm, martin wrote:

On Nov 11, 1:11 pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message
,
at 03:32:34 on Thu, 11 Nov 2010, martin
remarked:

I work shifts. This year, I'm due to work on the morning of December
25th and the 26th. My employer recognises that it's a bit of an
antisocial time to work, so provides transport, an extra payment, and
lays on some food and drink. The policy clearly states that the
payments apply for the 25th and 26th, and not for the Christmas Day /
Boxing Day holiday.

Are they assuming that public transport is back in operation?

I'm not sure if the transport's part of the written policy; rather
it's a long standing local agreement - if you usually use public
transport to get to work, and it's not running, then they'll pay for
reasonable taxi costs. There's a bit of management discretion involved
too - the year before last, they paid for me to get a cab in for an
early shift on January 1st, even though I could have taken the tube.

Bringing things back on topic, even though we sometimes have to work
over Christmas, and Christmas sometimes falls on a weekend, there's
never a dispute about which day attracts extra payments. Shame a
large employer like LUL hasn't got this sorted.


I dare say it is sorted as per the contractual terms, it's just that the
unions like to try and extract that bit extra - indeed, perhaps in previous
years ex-gratia payments have been made (and in a sense that wouldn't be
that different to the concept concept of there being things done outside of
the 'written policy', e.g. some management discretion, 'long standing local
agreement' etc) - and maybe the issue is that nothing of the sort is being
countenanced by LU this year (as the kitty is empty). Add onto that the
general disquiet about the future.

Perhaps the best place to find out more would be the District Dave forum -
plenty of LU staff pop in there. I might ask, if the issue isn't live there
already.

Anyhow, will they pay you for a new set of tyres if you cycle in?

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 01:11:04PM +0000, Roland Perry wrote:

Dunno, but I don't get paid extra, and have often had to spend Sundays
travelling to overseas meetings, which frequently clash with UK Bank
Holiday Mondays.

A reasonable employer would give you TOIL for both the time spent
travelling and the time spent working.

--
David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice

I think the most difficult moment that anyone could face is seeing
their domestic servants, whether maid or drivers, run away
-- Abdul Rahman Al-Sheikh, writing at
http://www.arabnews.com/?article=38558

In message , at 12:29:37
on Tue, 16 Nov 2010, David Cantrell remarked:

Dunno, but I don't get paid extra, and have often had to spend Sundays
travelling to overseas meetings, which frequently clash with UK Bank
Holiday Mondays.

A reasonable employer would give you TOIL for both the time spent
travelling and the time spent working.

I'm self employed, so I'll have to have a word with myself about that!

--
Roland Perry

On Nov 16, 5:39*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 12:29:37
on Tue, 16 Nov 2010, David Cantrell remarked:

Dunno, but I don't get paid extra, and have often had to spend Sundays
travelling to overseas meetings, which frequently clash with UK Bank
Holiday Mondays.

A reasonable employer would give you TOIL for both the time spent
travelling and the time spent working.

I'm self employed, so I'll have to have a word with myself about that!

Time to join a union me thinks...

On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Mizter T wrote:

On Nov 16, 5:39*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 12:29:37
on Tue, 16 Nov 2010, David Cantrell remarked:

Dunno, but I don't get paid extra, and have often had to spend Sundays
travelling to overseas meetings, which frequently clash with UK Bank
Holiday Mondays.

A reasonable employer would give you TOIL for both the time spent
travelling and the time spent working.

I'm self employed, so I'll have to have a word with myself about that!

Time to join a union me thinks...

There is such a thing in the US:

http://www.freelancersunion.org/

tom

--
Do more with less -- R. Buckminster Fuller

On Nov 17, 9:22*pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Mizter T wrote:
On Nov 16, 5:39*pm, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 12:29:37
on Tue, 16 Nov 2010, David Cantrell remarked:

Dunno, but I don't get paid extra, and have often had to spend Sundays
travelling to overseas meetings, which frequently clash with UK Bank
Holiday Mondays.

A reasonable employer would give you TOIL for both the time spent
travelling and the time spent working.

I'm self employed, so I'll have to have a word with myself about that!

Time to join a union me thinks...

There is such a thing in the US:

http://www.freelancersunion.org/

tom

A union is for life; not just for the dispute.