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On Nov 19, 11:02*am, MaxB wrote:
says Valerie Shawcross http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11792421 I think! MaxB Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't a viable option for them and it never will be. |
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George gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying: Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't a viable option for them and it never will be. Well, quite. Why would spazzes, flids & other crips want to try and lead normal lives, anyway? Why can't they just be happy sitting at home drooling in front of daytime TV...? |
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On Nov 19, 11:11*am, Adrian wrote:
George gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't a viable option for them and it never will be. Well, quite. Why would spazzes, flids & other crips want to try and lead normal lives, anyway? Why can't they just be happy sitting at home drooling in front of daytime TV...? What like you obviously do? Wouldn't a taxi that took them from door to door be of far more use? Shame it doesn't fit in with some people's politically correct ideals eh? |
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On 19 Nov 2010 11:11:59 GMT
Adrian wrote: George gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't a viable option for them and it never will be. Well, quite. Why would spazzes, flids & other crips want to try and lead normal lives, anyway? Why can't they just be happy sitting at home drooling in front of daytime TV...? Obviously you've never heard of Dial-a-ride then. B2003 |
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:22:00 -0800 (PST)
George wrote: Wouldn't a taxi that took them from door to door be of far more use? Shame it doesn't fit in with some people's politically correct ideals eh? Don't forget that in politically correct world their is no such thing as a limit on the amount that should be spent accommodating minorities to make metropolitan liberals feel smug and self justified. Even if wheelchair users have door to door service thats not good enough. Far better to spend a few hundred million quid on upgrading the entire tube system so a few hundred extra people in wheelchairs can suffer the misery of it too. B2003 |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:22:00 -0800 (PST) George wrote: Wouldn't a taxi that took them from door to door be of far more use? Shame it doesn't fit in with some people's politically correct ideals eh? Don't forget that in politically correct world their is no such thing as a limit on the amount that should be spent accommodating minorities to make metropolitan liberals feel smug and self justified. Even if wheelchair users have door to door service thats not good enough. Far better to spend a few hundred million quid on upgrading the entire tube system so a few hundred extra people in wheelchairs can suffer the misery of it too. The problem is: if you spend 10 million pounds a year on special taxi fares for disabled people, when a period of austerity comes along that money is easy to cut. But if you've spent 200 million on infrastructure changes that are costing you 10 million a year in finance costs you've no choice but to continue paying it tim |
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:40:49 -0000
"tim...." wrote: The problem is: if you spend 10 million pounds a year on special taxi fares for disabled people, when a period of austerity comes along that money is easy to cut. But if you've spent 200 million on infrastructure changes that are costing you 10 million a year in finance costs you've no choice but to continue paying it Well money aside there are also more practical considerations. Deep level tube trains are not large and in the rush hour even suitcases cause problems. Wheelchair users would have no chance even in the new trains with the pointless wheelchair section (if theres nowhere for people to move out of the way to to let a wheelchair go there they won't move, end of) since commuters are not going to get off to allow someone in a wheelchair to take their place. They'd either have to get on somewhere near the end of the line, not use it during busy periods or forget it and get a taxi. B2003 |
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I think they could have done much more with the money spent if they
targeted the spening in a more sensible way. For example they are currently making Green Park accesible at a huge cost. They could have got a lot more stations done if they spent it on the Subsurface stations on the circle line. A scheme to link the main line termini is surely long overdue. And why dont they do such stations as Covent Garden which already has lifts so only need a small lift for stairs down to the platforms. |
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George wrote:
On Nov 19, 11:02*am, MaxB wrote: says Valerie Shawcross http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11792421 I think! MaxB Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't a viable option for them and it never will be. It obviously hasn't occurred to you that the main reason that disabled people don't use public transport is that it is mostly inaccessible. It is quite wrong to say many disabled people don't *want* to use public transport. They just don't want to use a system that offers difficult and/or restricted access. Hardly a surprise. People like you seem to forget that the vast majority of disabled people used to be able-bodied but have become incapacitated through illness, accident or military service. They aren't a different species. They are just like you and me, except for impaired mobility. People like you seem to forget that accessibility issues also affect parents with young children and people who are mobility impaired but not in a wheelchair. Just try taking a small child on the Tube with a pushchair. Or more than one child. It's a nightmare. You make it sound as though you would like public transport to be made inaccessible to all but able-bodied people so you can be spared the sight of freaks in wheelchairs, and small children. ;-) |
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:38:56 +0000
Bruce wrote: People like you seem to forget that accessibility issues also affect parents with young children and people who are mobility impaired but not in a wheelchair. Just try taking a small child on the Tube with a pushchair. Or more than one child. It's a nightmare. People don't choose to be disabled. They do however choose to have kids. If you can't cope with kids don't have them. B2003 |
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:06:14 +0000
eastender wrote: In article , d wrote: People don't choose to be disabled. They do however choose to have kids. If you can't cope with kids don't have them. What will happen to the human race if no one has kids? Theres almost 7 billion of us. A few years of just single child families or without any births wouldn't do any harm. And do you think humans have reached the limit of their evolutionary capabilities in the current transport system? We need to evolve smaller to better use the tube so more of us can squeeze in. Somewhat contrary to whats actually happening! :) B2003 |
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On 2010\11\19 11:11, Adrian wrote:
gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't a viable option for them and it never will be. Well, quite. Why would spazzes, flids& other crips want to try and lead normal lives, anyway? Why can't they just be happy sitting at home drooling in front of daytime TV...? There's nothing normal about being able to use the Tube. The majority of the people in Britain can't use it because it's nowhere near them. The people of the Shetland Islands will never have a railway anywhere near them because it will never be economically viable. Why should wheelchair users be immune from the viability equations that apply to Shetlanders? |
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Basil Jet gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying: Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't a viable option for them and it never will be. Well, quite. Why would spazzes, flids& other crips want to try and lead normal lives, anyway? Why can't they just be happy sitting at home drooling in front of daytime TV...? There's nothing normal about being able to use the Tube. The majority of the people in Britain can't use it because it's nowhere near them. You. ****ing. Idiot. Why should wheelchair users be immune from the viability equations that apply to Shetlanders? Here's a thought... Because they're in London? |
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In message , Bruce
writes Just try taking a small child on the Tube with a pushchair. Or more than one child. It's a nightmare. It would be far less of a problem if parents didn't keep their kids in pushchairs for much longer than used to be the case - it encourages the use of large buggies and sets the seeds of obesity in many children. Back in the 50s, most kids were out of pushchairs and toddling on reins by or soon after the age of 2. I don't know why reins are so rarely used these days, as it is so much easier to pick up the toddler where necessary (on escalators or while 'minding the gap') than trying to manipulate some huge baby limousine on and off buses or the tube. -- Paul Terry |
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In message , Basil Jet
writes he people of the Shetland Islands will never have a railway anywhere near them because it will never be economically viable. Ah, you've never read "The Railways Of Shetland" by Wilfrid F. Simms ! http://shetlopedia.com/Image:PicTitl...ysShetland.jpg To be fair, the railways on Shetland were only for herring, lucky fish :) -- Paul Terry |
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On 2010\11\19 16:32, Mike Bristow wrote:
In , d wrote: Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't a viable option for them and it never will be. Well, quite. Why would spazzes, flids& other crips want to try and lead normal lives, anyway? Why can't they just be happy sitting at home drooling in front of daytime TV...? Obviously you've never heard of Dial-a-ride then. A wheelchair-accessible tube is of more use to a wheelchair user than dial-a-ride. I speak as someone who occasionally goes on to rush hour tube trains with someone in a chair, and who has heard from users of dial-a-ride exactly what it's like. Exactly what dial-a-ride is like depends on the funding level. If less money was spent on retrofitting lifts to old tube stations, more could be spent on dial-a-ride. |
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In article ,
trainmanUK wrote: I think they could have done much more with the money spent if they targeted the spening in a more sensible way. For example they are currently making Green Park accesible at a huge cost. That's being paid for out of the Olypic/Paralypic budgets, because it's the nearest station to a venue used in the Paralympics. They could have got a lot more stations done if they spent it on the Subsurface stations on the circle line. A scheme to link the main line termini is surely long overdue. And why dont they do such stations as Covent Garden which already has lifts so only need a small lift for stairs down to the platforms. It's a non-trivial problem to optimize, frankly. Euston Square is less important to make accessible now that Kings X is accessible because there are good bus links between the two (and busses are accessible), for example; stations which are good interchanges are important compared to stations which aren't; but there is no point is /just/ making Zone 1 stations accessible, 'cos there aren't many people living in Zone 1 compared to the suburbs. I do not envy those who try and form sensible policy in this area. -- Mike Bristow |
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Basil Jet wrote:
Exactly what dial-a-ride is like depends on the funding level. If less money was spent on retrofitting lifts to old tube stations, more could be spent on dial-a-ride. You know damn well that any money saved on making the Tube accessible would *not* be diverted to dial-a-ride. In any case, there would still be a heavy demand for dial-a-ride even if the Tube was made fully accessible. Thankfully, the Disability Discrimination Act goes some way to ensuring that people with a very strong anti-disabled mindset have absolutely no say in how the money is spent. |
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On Nov 19, 3:38*pm, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Bruce writes Just try taking a small child on the Tube with a pushchair. *Or more than one child. *It's a nightmare. It would be far less of a problem if parents didn't keep their kids in pushchairs for much longer than used to be the case - it encourages the use of large buggies and sets the seeds of obesity in many children. Back in the 50s, most kids were out of pushchairs and toddling on reins by or soon after the age of 2. I don't know why reins are so rarely used these days, as it is so much easier to pick up the toddler where necessary (on escalators or while 'minding the gap') than trying to manipulate some huge baby limousine on and off buses or the tube. -- Paul Terry Because you still need to have the pushchair in your other hand, unless you throw it away on the misguided assumption that a two-year- old's desire to get out of it at one moment means that they are prepared to walk as many miles as you have to go. |
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"Paul Terry" wrote in message ... In message , Bruce writes Just try taking a small child on the Tube with a pushchair. Or more than one child. It's a nightmare. It would be far less of a problem if parents didn't keep their kids in pushchairs for much longer than used to be the case - it encourages the use of large buggies and sets the seeds of obesity in many children. Back in the 50s, most kids were out of pushchairs and toddling on reins by or soon after the age of 2. I don't know why reins are so rarely used these days, as it is so much easier to pick up the toddler where necessary (on escalators or while 'minding the gap') than trying to manipulate some huge baby limousine on and off buses or the tube. On the subject of pushchairs, there was a message on the whiteboard at Highbury & Islington today saying that pushchairs are not allowed on the Victoria Line unless folded. Is this official LU policy as I have not seen this anywhere before? Peter Smyth |
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"Peter Smyth" wrote in message ... On the subject of pushchairs, there was a message on the whiteboard at Highbury & Islington today saying that pushchairs are not allowed on the Victoria Line unless folded. Is this official LU policy as I have not seen this anywhere before? It is in the LU conditions of carriage. Victoria and W&C are barred to unfolded pushchairs at all times. Other lines vary by time of day. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...f-carriage.pdf About page 52 or so. There are some indications elsewhere on the site that this will change once the new stock has taken over... Paul S |
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In message
, MIG writes Because you still need to have the pushchair in your other hand, unless you throw it away on the misguided assumption that a two-year- old's desire to get out of it at one moment means that they are prepared to walk as many miles as you have to go. My point was that pushchairs were not used once a child could toddle reasonably well - I can't ever remember people dragging a pushchair along just in case. You don't walk miles with children that young, whether in a pushchair or not. You sit them on your lap, or on a seat if one is available, when using public transport. If necessary, you carry them over hazards, but otherwise you encourage them to use their own muscles. If you don't cart the pushchair around all the time, there is no other option for the child. -- Paul Terry |
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On Nov 19, 7:22*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:38:56 +0000, Bruce wrote: George wrote: Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't a viable option for them and it never will be. It obviously hasn't occurred to you that the main reason that disabled people don't use public transport is that it is mostly inaccessible. It is quite wrong to say many disabled people don't *want* to use public transport. *They just don't want to use a system that offers difficult and/or restricted access. *Hardly a surprise. People like you seem to forget that the vast majority of disabled people used to be able-bodied but have become incapacitated through illness, accident or military service. *They aren't a different species. *They are just like you and me, except for impaired mobility. People like you seem to forget that accessibility issues also affect parents with young children and people who are mobility impaired but not in a wheelchair. *Just try taking a small child on the Tube with a pushchair. *Or more than one child. *It's a nightmare. You make it sound as though you would like public transport to be made inaccessible to all but able-bodied people so you can be spared the sight of freaks in wheelchairs, and small children. *;-) Goodness me. Mr Polson vs Mr Manning - an undreamed of combination of combatants. *Do have fun knocking seven bells out of each other. For those of us who are very familiar with George's views from other places then this will provide huge entertainment while you all decide whether to support or deride his views. I'll just pull up a comfy chair and grab a bag of popcorn and watch from the sidelines * :-) I wish the former would stop saying things I agree with. I find it very uncomfortable. |
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"Bruce" wrote in message ...
George wrote: On Nov 19, 11:02 am, MaxB wrote: says Valerie Shawcross http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11792421 I think! MaxB Does anybody really think wheelchair users are ever going to be able to use the tube? Val Shawcross and the like just can't grasp the fact that many disabled people don't want to use public transport, it just isn't a viable option for them and it never will be. It obviously hasn't occurred to you that the main reason that disabled people don't use public transport is that it is mostly inaccessible. It is quite wrong to say many disabled people don't *want* to use public transport. They just don't want to use a system that offers difficult and/or restricted access. Hardly a surprise. People like you seem to forget that the vast majority of disabled people used to be able-bodied but have become incapacitated through illness, accident or military service. They aren't a different species. They are just like you and me, except for impaired mobility. People like you seem to forget that accessibility issues also affect parents with young children and people who are mobility impaired but not in a wheelchair. Just try taking a small child on the Tube with a pushchair. Or more than one child. It's a nightmare. You make it sound as though you would like public transport to be made inaccessible to all but able-bodied people so you can be spared the sight of freaks in wheelchairs, and small children. ;-) ----------------- I am always surprised that people equate disability = wheelchair. Disability comes in many shapes and sizes, under the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (I believe) I am disabled. But I don't need a wheelchair, a seeing or hearing dog, a carer or anyone else to look after me. Just how many people are we really talking about here i.e. those who actually can't walk, live somewhere near a tube and actually want to use it. Not a huge number I suspect. Public transport is by definition a mass transit system and, equally, by definition, cannot be all things to all people. MaxB |
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"MaxB" wrote:
I am always surprised that people equate disability = wheelchair. Disability comes in many shapes and sizes, under the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (I believe) I am disabled. But I don't need a wheelchair, a seeing or hearing dog, a carer or anyone else to look after me. The wheelchair symbol is used to define disability. Therein lies the problem. Just how many people are we really talking about here i.e. those who actually can't walk, live somewhere near a tube and actually want to use it. Not a huge number I suspect. If you include parents/carers of small children, who need "accessibility" every bit as much as the wheelchair disabled, we're into the millions. Public transport is by definition a mass transit system and, equally, by definition, cannot be all things to all people. Are you suggesting that a "mass" transit system should only cater for that proportion of the masses who are fit, mobile and childless? |
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In article ,
Bruce wrote: If you include parents/carers of small children, who need "accessibility" every bit as much as the wheelchair disabled, we're into the millions. Many elderly people find long flights of stairs arduous, too... -roy |
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In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:48:37 -0000, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Peter Smyth" wrote in message ... On the subject of pushchairs, there was a message on the whiteboard at Highbury & Islington today saying that pushchairs are not allowed on the Victoria Line unless folded. Is this official LU policy as I have not seen this anywhere before? It is in the LU conditions of carriage. Victoria and W&C are barred to unfolded pushchairs at all times. Other lines vary by time of day. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...f-carriage.pdf About page 52 or so. There are some indications elsewhere on the site that this will change once the new stock has taken over... Well I've learnt something. I have never seen this enforced and regularly see unfolded pushchairs on the Vic Line. I think I need to check the signage for MIP lifts on the Vic Line - I'm sure it shows an unfolded buggy symbol. As you suggest it would be somewhat mad to retain the rule given the new stock has, in theory, massive space for pushchairs. News to me too. Not only has my granddaughter been on the Victoria Line in a buggy a good few times since she was born 4 years ago but so did her mum and aunt up to 20 years ago! -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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Bruce wrote: They aren't a different species. They aren't just a different species, they're a different genus. The defining moment in human evolution, the very beginning of the genus Homo, was with Homo Erectus standing tall and walking upright. Humans are bipeds and always have been. Once people stop being bipeds, then they're no better subhuman Australopithecines, and should be prevented from contaminating the human race. In an ideal world they'd be rounded up and publicly executed in front of a cheering crowd of real humans. But even if that isn't practical, there's certainly no excuse for giving them any kind of human rights. They are just like you and me, except for impaired mobility. Yes, and that's more than enough to make them less than human. You make it sound as though you would like public transport to be made inaccessible to all but able-bodied people so you can be spared the sight of freaks in wheelchairs Sounds like a good idea to me. But let's not limit it to just public transport. |
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MaxB wrote: I am always surprised that people equate disability = wheelchair. Disability comes in many shapes and sizes, under the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (I believe) I am disabled. But I don't need a wheelchair Same here. I'm officially classed as having a long-term mental illness, but I can walk just fine, so I've nothing in common with those subhuman, wheelchair-bound throwbacks. It's insulting to lump the proper human disabled people in the same group as wheelchair users. |
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On 19/11/2010 21:18, MaxB wrote:
I am always surprised that people equate disability = wheelchair. Disability comes in many shapes and sizes, under the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (I believe) I am disabled. But I don't need a wheelchair, a seeing or hearing dog, a carer or anyone else to look after me. Perhaps because a lot of the discussion about accessibility comes down to wanting to be seen to be doing something (I *care*, but he is a evil ******* and I am going to imply he calls *you* a 'cripple' even though he doesn't), so wheelchair users are more use for this than, say, deaf people. It makes it hard to discuss these matters, as anyone who tried to consider practicality and funding matters can get shouted down by people who don't have to make difficult, maybe impossible, decisions. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On Nov 20, 10:05*am, Arthur Figgis
wrote: On 19/11/2010 21:18, MaxB wrote: I am always surprised that people equate disability = wheelchair. Disability comes in many shapes and sizes, under the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (I believe) I am disabled. But I don't need a wheelchair, a seeing or hearing dog, a carer or anyone else to look after me. Perhaps because a lot of the discussion about accessibility comes down to wanting to be seen to be doing something (I *care*, but he is a evil ******* and I am going to imply he calls *you* a 'cripple' even though he doesn't), so wheelchair users are more use for this than, say, deaf people. It makes it hard to discuss these matters, as anyone who tried to consider practicality and funding matters can get shouted down by people who don't have to make difficult, maybe impossible, decisions. Get a bit of perspective. People who have had to fight so hard against the prevailing situation, where for centuries they have been treated as if they don't count, are readily going to shout down anyone who starts back down that slipperly slope, and I completely understand why. It's not like there is a tradition of fairness and balance; disabled people have been treated hugely unfairly for most of history. A few years of good behaviour after centuries of bad behaviour isn't going to convince anyone that lessons have been learned. |
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On Nov 19, 7:43*pm, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , MIG writes Because you still need to have the pushchair in your other hand, unless you throw it away on the misguided assumption that a two-year- old's desire to get out of it at one moment means that they are prepared to walk as many miles as you have to go. My point was that pushchairs were not used once a child could toddle reasonably well - I can't ever remember people dragging a pushchair along just in case. You don't walk miles with children that young, whether in a pushchair or not. You sit them on your lap, or on a seat if one is available, when using public transport. If necessary, you carry them over hazards, but otherwise you encourage them to use their own muscles. If you don't cart the pushchair around all the time, there is no other option for the child. Surely you walk as many miles as you need to walk, and in those days that would probably include taking older children to school, getting to your cleaning job, walking, rather than driving, to the shops etc. Or are you seriously suggesting that anyone with a two-year-old should only ever walk as far as a two-year-old can walk? Or that that was the case in the past? I think that your memory must be misleading you. |
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On 20/11/2010 10:12, MIG wrote:
On Nov 20, 10:05 am, Arthur wrote: On 19/11/2010 21:18, MaxB wrote: I am always surprised that people equate disability = wheelchair. Disability comes in many shapes and sizes, under the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (I believe) I am disabled. But I don't need a wheelchair, a seeing or hearing dog, a carer or anyone else to look after me. Perhaps because a lot of the discussion about accessibility comes down to wanting to be seen to be doing something (I *care*, but he is a evil ******* and I am going to imply he calls *you* a 'cripple' even though he doesn't), so wheelchair users are more use for this than, say, deaf people. It makes it hard to discuss these matters, as anyone who tried to consider practicality and funding matters can get shouted down by people who don't have to make difficult, maybe impossible, decisions. Get a bit of perspective. That is the problem. We can't get a bit of perspective, because someone will shout about how unfair it is to the next case along (see the occasional objections to the heritage Routemasters being permitted to exist), or moan about history which we can't do anything about. There seems to be too many people who have a need to prove something (to themselves, I suspect) about how they, and they alone, "care", while everyone else wants to "ban" people from transport. When I went to a serious meeting about station accessibility there was a lot more common sense than politicians, the media and people with a point to prove will even be able show. People realised we are where we are, C19th stations aren't going to rebuild themselves free of charge, and quick-wins can be justified even if not 101% perfect. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:39:13 +0000
Bruce wrote: Thankfully, the Disability Discrimination Act goes some way to ensuring that people with a very strong anti-disabled mindset have absolutely no say in how the money is spent. Right. And so we end up with ****ing pointless "wheelchair" areas on tube trains which just means that the people who do use the tube now have less seats and some of the ones they do have are uncomfortable flip up ones. So thousands have to have an even more miserable journey just so self righteous pricks like you can feel smug and feel that "something has been done!". Even if that something is nothing more than idiotic gesture politics. B2003 |
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:46:44 +0000
Arthur Figgis wrote: There seems to be too many people who have a need to prove something (to themselves, I suspect) about how they, and they alone, "care", while everyone else wants to "ban" people from transport. Ironically the ones who make the most noise don't care. They're simply the type of person who needs a cause to shout about - doesn't really matter what that cause is. Which is why you get the same motley crew turning up to every vaguely anti government demonstration whether it be Stop the War or student demos or whatever. Its the same with right-on topics - you get the same sort of usual suspects whinging about everything. B2003 |
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