I have had enough. London Underground workers are going on strike and
affecting millions of people because they think one of their collegues was
unfairly dismissed.

I think its about time that we had a serious look at union powers, I think
the LU Unions are too powerful. How on earth can a bunch of 600 drivers be
paid around £30k/year for what is essentially a low-skilled job?

I really have had enough. We need some changes in the law, this is no longer
about workers rights, this is about the rights of Londoners not to be held
to ransom by a small minority, who now seem to use *any* excuse to go on
strike.

Sack the lot of 'em!

"Oliver Keating" wrote in message
...
I have had enough. London Underground workers are going on strike and
affecting millions of people because they think one of their collegues was
unfairly dismissed.

I think its about time that we had a serious look at union powers, I think
the LU Unions are too powerful. How on earth can a bunch of 600 drivers
be
paid around £30k/year for what is essentially a low-skilled job?

Try doing it and then you'll find out

I really have had enough. We need some changes in the law, this is no
longer
about workers rights, this is about the rights of Londoners not to be held
to ransom by a small minority, who now seem to use *any* excuse to go on
strike.

It takes two to make an argument.


Sack the lot of 'em!


That's a good idea, then you'll have no one to drive at all.

Oliver Keating wrote:

I have had enough. London Underground workers are going on strike and
affecting millions of people because they think one of their collegues was
unfairly dismissed.

I think its about time that we had a serious look at union powers, I think
the LU Unions are too powerful. How on earth can a bunch of 600 drivers be
paid around £30k/year for what is essentially a low-skilled job?

I really have had enough. We need some changes in the law, this is no longer
about workers rights, this is about the rights of Londoners not to be held
to ransom by a small minority, who now seem to use *any* excuse to go on
strike.

Sack the lot of 'em!

On a more technical note, a couple of questions: firstly, does this
affect Wimbleware services too, and secondly, is there any way to
maintain a service on the important parts of the Circle line which will
be lacking (i.e. Edgware Road to Baker Street and possibly Aldgate to
Tower Hill, but more importantly Gloucester Road to Paddington if the
Wimbleware service is affected).

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
Oliver Keating wrote:

I have had enough. London Underground workers are going on strike and
affecting millions of people because they think one of their collegues
was
unfairly dismissed.

I think its about time that we had a serious look at union powers, I
think
the LU Unions are too powerful. How on earth can a bunch of 600 drivers
be
paid around £30k/year for what is essentially a low-skilled job?

I really have had enough. We need some changes in the law, this is no
longer
about workers rights, this is about the rights of Londoners not to be
held
to ransom by a small minority, who now seem to use *any* excuse to go on
strike.

Sack the lot of 'em!

On a more technical note, a couple of questions: firstly, does this
affect Wimbleware services too, and secondly, is there any way to
maintain a service on the important parts of the Circle line which will
be lacking (i.e. Edgware Road to Baker Street and possibly Aldgate to
Tower Hill, but more importantly Gloucester Road to Paddington if the
Wimbleware service is affected).

It didn't affect the District last time. I think that their drivers are
seperate from the Circle/H&C drivers even though they drive the same trains.
There will probably be enough drivers working to run a Hammersmith - Edgware
Road service and possibly further. The Edgware Road - Baker Street section is
covered by the Bakerloo.

Peter Smyth

Dave Arquati wrote:
Oliver Keating wrote:

I have had enough. London Underground workers are going on strike and
affecting millions of people because they think one of their
collegues was unfairly dismissed.
snip

On a more technical note, a couple of questions: firstly, does this
affect Wimbleware services too, and secondly, is there any way to
maintain a service on the important parts of the Circle line which
will be lacking (i.e. Edgware Road to Baker Street and possibly
Aldgate to Tower Hill, but more importantly Gloucester Road to
Paddington if the Wimbleware service is affected).

AIUI, it's only the Hammersmith & City and Circle that would be affected,
and only on Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve.

Re alternative services: there are plenty of links using
Bakerloo/Northern/Central etc. that can be used to avoid the northern side
of the Circle, or buses.
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

In answer to some important questions here are some answers.

It will be affecting the Circle & I think H & C as well, Wimbledon services
will (should) not be affected

the Strike is being imposed by the RMT union only ASLEF are not involved and
I don't think would ever get involved in a strike of this nature, the man in
question is a workshy tosser and all the other RMT & ASLEF members at his
depot are doing his work.

What a bunch of W*****S going on strike Christmas and New Years eve, they'll
be in the pub while the rest of us are out working getting YOU home, I
certainly will be working (much to my wifes disgust)

Please don't tar us all with the same brush.

We do earn good money that cannot be denied BUT WE are responsable for YOUR
lives while we're driving if we **** up it's goodnight vienna next stop the
dole or worse.
If the train brakes down there's one person who will have to get the train
moved etc etc, I'm not paid my good salary for what I do, I'm paid for what
I know, having seen the state of most of my passangers tonight, I know much
more than they do, like where I am, the time who I am etc.


"Peter Smyth" wrote in message
...

"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
...
Oliver Keating wrote:

I have had enough. London Underground workers are going on strike and
affecting millions of people because they think one of their collegues
was
unfairly dismissed.

I think its about time that we had a serious look at union powers, I
think
the LU Unions are too powerful. How on earth can a bunch of 600
drivers
be
paid around £30k/year for what is essentially a low-skilled job?

I really have had enough. We need some changes in the law, this is no
longer
about workers rights, this is about the rights of Londoners not to be
held
to ransom by a small minority, who now seem to use *any* excuse to go
on
strike.

Sack the lot of 'em!

On a more technical note, a couple of questions: firstly, does this
affect Wimbleware services too, and secondly, is there any way to
maintain a service on the important parts of the Circle line which will
be lacking (i.e. Edgware Road to Baker Street and possibly Aldgate to
Tower Hill, but more importantly Gloucester Road to Paddington if the
Wimbleware service is affected).

It didn't affect the District last time. I think that their drivers are
seperate from the Circle/H&C drivers even though they drive the same
trains.
There will probably be enough drivers working to run a Hammersmith -
Edgware
Road service and possibly further. The Edgware Road - Baker Street section
is
covered by the Bakerloo.

Peter Smyth

AIUI, it's only the Hammersmith & City and Circle that would be affected,
and only on Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve.

Re alternative services: there are plenty of links using
Bakerloo/Northern/Central etc. that can be used to avoid the northern side
of the Circle, or buses.


So if Hammersmith & City lines and Circle lines so un-neccessary and
there are so many alternatives to them why don't we just sack all the
train drivers on these lines and get rid of the lines completelty?

Speaking as a regular H&C user, they may as well be on strike every day for
all the use the service is.

It's so unreliable with random intervals between trains frequently reaching
20 minutes, even at peak hours, that it's almost always quicker to take an
alternative route than wait in vain for the H&C.

For example, it's almost always quicker to walk from Whitechapel to
Liverpool Street (about 15 mins) that wait ages for the train, which will
then waste another 5 mins just west of Aldgate East waiting for the Met
trains to be out of the way.

Some dot matrix signs at Whitechapel might help a bit (at the moment there's
no way of telling if an H&C is 2 mins away, or 20). Anyone know if these are
planned in the near future?

Rob.


"CJG Now Thankfully Living In The North" wrote in
message om...

AIUI, it's only the Hammersmith & City and Circle that would be
affected,
and only on Christmas Eve and New Year's Eve.

Re alternative services: there are plenty of links using
Bakerloo/Northern/Central etc. that can be used to avoid the northern
side
of the Circle, or buses.


So if Hammersmith & City lines and Circle lines so un-neccessary and
there are so many alternatives to them why don't we just sack all the
train drivers on these lines and get rid of the lines completelty?

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Speaking as a regular H&C user, they may as well be on strike every day
for
all the use the service is.

It's so unreliable with random intervals between trains frequently
reaching
20 minutes, even at peak hours, that it's almost always quicker to take an
alternative route than wait in vain for the H&C.

For example, it's almost always quicker to walk from Whitechapel to
Liverpool Street (about 15 mins) that wait ages for the train, which will
then waste another 5 mins just west of Aldgate East waiting for the Met
trains to be out of the way.

Some dot matrix signs at Whitechapel might help a bit (at the moment
there's
no way of telling if an H&C is 2 mins away, or 20). Anyone know if these
are
planned in the near future?

Rob.

There will be no need, if the information i've been given is correct. The
h&c will reverse at algate, the Met main will reverse at barking,
whitechaple is being rebuilt, it wIll be a normal station where no trains
will reverse. should be complete by 2025,

Rob wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...
Speaking as a regular H&C user, they may as well be on strike every
day for all the use the service is.

It's so unreliable with random intervals between trains frequently
reaching 20 minutes, even at peak hours, that it's almost always
quicker to take an alternative route than wait in vain for the H&C.

For example, it's almost always quicker to walk from Whitechapel to
Liverpool Street (about 15 mins) that wait ages for the train, which
will then waste another 5 mins just west of Aldgate East waiting for
the Met trains to be out of the way.

Some dot matrix signs at Whitechapel might help a bit (at the moment
there's no way of telling if an H&C is 2 mins away, or 20). Anyone
know if these are planned in the near future?

Rob.

There will be no need, if the information i've been given is correct.
The h&c will reverse at algate, the Met main will reverse at barking,
whitechaple is being rebuilt, it wIll be a normal station where no
trains will reverse. should be complete by 2025,

Rebuilding of Whitechapel is required in order to have enough room to
provide interchange with Crossrail. Details at
http://www.crossrail.co.uk/80256B090...elStation.html
--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)