Why are there no train indicator boards at wood lane? Did they run out
of money when it was built or is the H&C still so unreliable it wasn't
worth the bother? And wouldn't it have made sense to build some sort
of walkway to White City all of 100 metres away so you don't have to
go through 2 gatelines to move between the stations?

In fact calling it white city might have been common sense too but thats not
something LU is generally blessed with. Ah well.

B2003

On 2011\02\15 09:58, d wrote:

In fact calling it white city might have been common sense too but thats not
something LU is generally blessed with. Ah well.

And a memory isn't something you were blessed with, since you've been
told the answer to this one already.
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.tr...author:Rowland

"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 2011\02\15 09:58, d wrote:

In fact calling it white city might have been common sense too but thats
not
something LU is generally blessed with. Ah well.

And a memory isn't something you were blessed with, since you've been told
the answer to this one already.

I particularly liked this bit that Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

"The White City station opened in 1947 was a rebuild, admittedly on a
slightly different site, of Wood Lane station and is in Wood Lane. The
old H&C White City was nearer the old Wood Lane than that White City
and the new Wood Lane is nearer to White City station than the old
White City H&C station was."

They just maintained their traditional decisiveness...

Paul S

In message of Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:58:40
in uk.transport.london, d writes
Why are there no train indicator boards at wood lane? Did they run out
of money when it was built or is the H&C still so unreliable it wasn't
worth the bother? And wouldn't it have made sense to build some sort
of walkway to White City all of 100 metres away so you don't have to
go through 2 gatelines to move between the stations?

None of the stations between Paddington and Hammersmith have train
indicator boards. I always assumed that putting them in would require
signalling hardware between the two points. The lack of information is
an abuse for those with hearing difficulties. Somebody does give good
announcements on that stretch of line. It seems to be done by an
individual rather than machinery.

I find it more irritating that Dot Matrix Indicators are installed and
not commissioned. e.g. at North Harrow - Northwood which had displays
which acted as expensive clocks. (They might have been commissioned by
now). A similar situation can be seen in Waterloo's Shell Centre Ticket
Hall where Bakerloo and Northern Line displays are commissioned but the
Jubilee Line display shows nothing.

There is also a problem between Queen's Park and Harrow and Wealdstone
where help points have waited for commissioning for more than a year.
--
Walter Briscoe

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:56:54 +0000
Walter Briscoe wrote:
None of the stations between Paddington and Hammersmith have train
indicator boards. I always assumed that putting them in would require
signalling hardware between the two points. The lack of information is

Can't be all that hard though. The northern line got them in 1980s.

B2003

wrote:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:56:54 +0000
Walter Briscoe wrote:
None of the stations between Paddington and Hammersmith have train
indicator boards. I always assumed that putting them in would require
signalling hardware between the two points. The lack of information is

Can't be all that hard though. The northern line got them in 1980s.


When you've got signalling equipment dating back to the 1920's operating on
the SSL, plugging in new kit to interface with that isn't likely to be a
simple job - and anyhow, any such efforts are better expended on the
wholesale signalling upgrade.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:11:25 -0000
"Mizter T" wrote:
When you've got signalling equipment dating back to the 1920's operating on
the SSL, plugging in new kit to interface with that isn't likely to be a

There was old equipment on the northern and piccadilly too but they managed
to get them working on there so where theres a will...

B2003

wrote:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:11:25 -0000
"Mizter T" wrote:
When you've got signalling equipment dating back to the 1920's operating
on
the SSL, plugging in new kit to interface with that isn't likely to be a

There was old equipment on the northern and piccadilly too but they
managed
to get them working on there so where theres a will...

As I said I'm not expert, but my understanding is that the signalling
equipment was/is newer on those lines than on the SSL.

Where there's a will *and a budget* there's a way - generally it's difficult
to do such things without any funding.

On Feb 16, 3:20*am, wrote:
When you've got signalling equipment dating back to the 1920's operating on
the SSL, plugging in new kit to interface with that isn't likely to be a

There was old equipment on the northern and piccadilly too but they managed
to get them working on there so where theres a will...

The point is, the Northern and the Piccadilly weren't scheduled for
major signalling upgrades until long after the SSL upgrade was
supposed to take place.

Two scenarios:
a) you buy a dilapidated house, move in, then start applying for
planning permission, organising builders, etc, to have it knocked down
and completely rebuilt. You're planning to start building work in six
months or so, and get the new house done within 18 months.

b) you buy a dilapidated house, move in, and although you'd like to
have it knocked down and rebuilt at some point, you won't be able to
afford to do so for at least five years.

In case a, you're probably not going to install a new kitchen or
bathroom, have the house rewired, or do anything other than basic
repairs that make it just about habitable. In case b, you'll probably
make some changes, because although they're temporary and you don't
want to spend too much on them, they'll make the next five years much
more bearable.

Of course, if you're aiming for scenario A, but your builder goes
bankrupt and you end up spending several years suing each other, then
you'll probably regret not installing the new shower and cooker that
you'd have put in if you knew you were going to be stuck there for
years. But that's the benefit, and the problem, of hindsight...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

"Walter Briscoe" wrote:

In message of Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:58:40
in uk.transport.london, d writes:

Why are there no train indicator boards at wood lane? Did they run out
of money when it was built or is the H&C still so unreliable it wasn't
worth the bother? And wouldn't it have made sense to build some sort
of walkway to White City all of 100 metres away so you don't have to
go through 2 gatelines to move between the stations?

None of the stations between Paddington and Hammersmith have train
indicator boards. I always assumed that putting them in would require
signalling hardware between the two points. The lack of information is
an abuse for those with hearing difficulties. Somebody does give good
announcements on that stretch of line. It seems to be done by an
individual rather than machinery.

"an abuse" - that's rather strong. Truth is, everything hinges on the new
SSL signalling system, which is some years off still. Without the new
signalling system there's no data feed for any such 'train describer'
boards. In essence it's in the pipeline, just that the pipeline is a bloody
long one (because everyone kept putting off building it, and when they
started in earnest then a dodgy construction model was chosen which has of
course subsequently imploded - I'm poss stretching the analogy into
nonsenseville here!).


I find it more irritating that Dot Matrix Indicators are installed and
not commissioned. e.g. at North Harrow - Northwood which had displays
which acted as expensive clocks. (They might have been commissioned by
now). [...]

One must presume that when these SSL stations were refurbished, it was
considered cost-effective to install the 'train describers' at the same
time - at the time, the timetable for the signalling upgrade would've
suggested that they'd be needed sooner than is now to be the case - though
perhaps we should be a bit grateful that the upgrade is actually happening
at all, and didn't get canned.


[...] A similar situation can be seen in Waterloo's Shell Centre Ticket
Hall where Bakerloo and Northern Line displays are commissioned but the
Jubilee Line display shows nothing.

There is also a problem between Queen's Park and Harrow and Wealdstone
where help points have waited for commissioning for more than a year.

Can't offer a guessplanation for those - though thinking about the latter, I
wonder if there might be some difficulties given the LU / Network Rail
interface on that stretch of line (all stations are owned by Network Rail
but nowadays are managed by LU, apart from Willesden Jn which is managed by
LOROL).