In message , at 11:26:35 on Sun, 27 Feb
2011, tim.... remarked:

why would a child want to pay adult Oyster fares when they could buy a paper
travelcard for less?

Part of the attraction of the scheme is not having to queue up to buy
tickets (and also not needing to know the system well enough, including
speaking English, to be able to decide which tickets to buy).
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 11:26:35 on Sun, 27 Feb
2011, tim.... remarked:

why would a child want to pay adult Oyster fares when they could buy a
paper
travelcard for less?

Part of the attraction of the scheme is not having to queue up to buy
tickets (and also not needing to know the system well enough, including
speaking English, to be able to decide which tickets to buy).

So you'd pay twice as much not to queue up, would you?

tim

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:26:35AM -0000, tim.... wrote:

why would a child want to pay adult Oyster fares when they could buy a paper
travelcard for less?

Convenience.

You might as well ask why people pay to have their groceries delivered
when it would be cheaper to go to the supermarket on foot or in your own
car.

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All children should be aptitude-tested at an early age and,
if their main or only aptitude is for marketing, drowned.

"David Cantrell" wrote in message
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On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:26:35AM -0000, tim.... wrote:

why would a child want to pay adult Oyster fares when they could buy a
paper
travelcard for less?

Convenience.

You might as well ask why people pay to have their groceries delivered
when it would be cheaper to go to the supermarket on foot or in your own
car.

just how inconvenient is it to push a few buttons on a ticket machine?

tim

On Feb 26, 3:02*pm, wrote:

(Mizter T) wrote:
It'd be different tim because currently charging happens 'on the fly'
as the validators talk to the card each time it's presented to them -
i.e. the 'logical engine' here is at the card/validator interface. In
this prospective system, the 'logical engine' would be quite different
because it would reside in the central database, and it'd try and make
sense of all the recorded validations of that 'pay and wave' card on
any one day.

Whether that 'logical engine' would be able to cope with people going
round and round in circles is perhaps another question.

What about more than one person using the same card? I use my credit card
to buy tickets for all the family quite often.

I don't think it'd be any different to Oyster - any one credit/debit
card could only be used in this way by one person at any one time (and
strictly speaking at least I'd expect it should only be the named
cardholder).

Multiple (regular, paper) tickets could still be purchased in one
transaction using a debit/credit card from the ticket office or ticket
machine.

People using the wrong card to get through a gate - or erroneously
using a card when they've already got a paper ticket - is an obvious
issue one can foresee about this development.

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Feb 26, 3:02*pm, wrote:

What about more than one person using the same card? I use my credit
card to buy tickets for all the family quite often.

I don't think it'd be any different to Oyster - any one credit/debit
card could only be used in this way by one person at any one time (and
strictly speaking at least I'd expect it should only be the named
cardholder).

Multiple (regular, paper) tickets could still be purchased in one
transaction using a debit/credit card from the ticket office or ticket
machine.

People using the wrong card to get through a gate - or erroneously
using a card when they've already got a paper ticket - is an obvious
issue one can foresee about this development.

Rather destroys the pay-wave system for adults with children then.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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writes

Rather destroys the pay-wave system for adults with children then.

Pay wave can only be used for a purchase of up to £15 (only recently
increased from £10), so it's not really suitable for purchasing multiple
tickets.
--
Paul Terry

In message , at 10:25:59 on Sun, 27
Feb 2011, Paul Terry remarked:

Rather destroys the pay-wave system for adults with children then.

Pay wave can only be used for a purchase of up to £15 (only recently
increased from £10), so it's not really suitable for purchasing
multiple tickets.

I wonder if the same restrictions would apply to this ticketing
scenario? I get the impression it's a brand new scheme with potentially
brand new rules.
--
Roland Perry

In message , Roland Perry
writes]

In message , at 10:25:59 on Sun,
27 Feb 2011, Paul Terry remarked:

Pay wave can only be used for a purchase of up to £15 (only recently
increased from £10), so it's not really suitable for purchasing
multiple tickets.

I wonder if the same restrictions would apply to this ticketing
scenario? I get the impression it's a brand new scheme with potentially
brand new rules.

The limit is there because of the insecurity of contactless bank cards.
Lose the card and anyone can use it, typically for five transactions
before being asked to present a PIN (There's no real-time processing of
contactless payments, so even when a lost card is reported, it can't be
stopped immediately like a chip-and-pin card).

If that happens, the banks generally pick up the tab, so they would be
very loathe to increase their exposure to risk by upping the limit
(especially since TfL have already negotiated that a PIN will never be
requested at busy stations).
--
Paul Terry

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:25:59AM +0000, Paul Terry wrote:

Pay wave can only be used for a purchase of up to £15 (only recently
increased from £10), so it's not really suitable for purchasing multiple
tickets.

No? It would cover 7 adult singles between Victoria and Paddington.

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