Hils wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:13:21 on Tue, 5
Apr 2011, Graeme Wall remarked:
This is very sad - but why so many at Southall anyway? It does seem to
be a regular occurance.

One theory I've seen is that many of the suicides are Asian women
escaping the torments of arranged marriages.

And for cultural reasons they may well find it much harder to seek help.

Southall, of course, having a large population of British Asians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/967153.stm

"Asian women are three times more likely to commit suicide than the rest
of the population."

"One study found that the suicide rate in women aged 16-24 years was
three times higher in women of Asian origin than in white British women.
[...] Asian men appear to be far less vulnerable to suicide than young
men from white British backgrounds."

(The suicide rate among white British women is lower than in the general
population. The suicide rate among men is more than three times that
among women.)

"[The] risk of suicide in unemployed men is two to three times higher
than in the general population."

http://www.mind.org.uk/help/research...ion_strategies

Odd how we read more about Asian [sic] women being "victims" than about
unemployed men.

I suspect that it isn't odd at all, but predetermined by our selection
of what we read.

Moreover, the women of Asian heritage who are driven to take their lives
often have been victims of abuse from an identifiable abuser, whereas
someone who is unemployed has rarely been victimised by one person,
unless you are going to lay the blame for their state at the door of the
person who puts the figures in the spreadsheet.

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"Hils" wrote in message

Chris Tolley wrote:
Hils wrote:
Odd how we read more about Asian [sic] women being "victims" than
about unemployed men.

I suspect that it isn't odd at all, but predetermined by our
selection of what we read.

Moreover, the women of Asian heritage who are driven to take their
lives often have been victims of abuse from an identifiable abuser,
whereas someone who is unemployed has rarely been victimised by one
person, unless you are going to lay the blame for their state at the
door of the person who puts the figures in the spreadsheet.

Semantic sophistry. Asian-heritage women choose to stay in abusive
environments. If some of them don't understand enough about British
culture or the English language to go to the police or social services
before they reach the stage of stepping in front of a train, the
questions to be asked are why don't they understand those things?

I've read that these are educated women imported from the subcontinent
for arranged marriages to young men who turn out not to live up to their
billing (less eductaed than claimed, or much older/uglier). Their
families would lose face if they returned home to India, and they have
no local support network here to help when they're bullied by their
mothers-in-law who treat them little better than slaves.

Hils wrote:

Chris Tolley wrote:
Hils wrote:
Odd how we read more about Asian [sic] women being "victims" than about
unemployed men.

women of Asian heritage who are driven to take their lives
often have been victims of abuse from an identifiable abuser

Asian-heritage women choose to stay in abusive environments. If some
of them don't understand enough about British culture or the English
language to go to the police or social services before they reach the
stage of stepping in front of a train, the questions to be asked are
why don't they understand those things?

They may not even understand the language. How on earth do you suppose
they are meant to understand the support structures? NB There is ample
information about specific cases out there if you actually do wish to
become informed, rather than to engage in wordplay.

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On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:22:31 +0100
Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote:
They may not even understand the language. How on earth do you suppose

They could always try learning it. Just a thought...

B2003

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:44:05 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:22:31 +0100
Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote:
They may not even understand the language. How on earth do you suppose

They could always try learning it. Just a thought...

A bit hard when your husband has effective control on your activities.

On 5 Apr, 20:49, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:44:05 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:22:31 +0100
Chris *Tolley (ukonline really) wrote:
They may not even understand the language. How on earth do you suppose

They could always try learning it. Just a thought...

A bit hard when your husband has effective control on your activities.

Don't be too hard on him. He's probably only 13 years old and doesn't
know any better (or a Daily Mail reader and ditto), and he never has
problems like this on his Hornby train set.

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:17:35 -0700 (PDT)
W14_Fishbourne wrote:
Don't be too hard on him. He's probably only 13 years old and doesn't
know any better (or a Daily Mail reader and ditto), and he never has
problems like this on his Hornby train set.

*canned laughter*

B2003

On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 20:49:52 +0100
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:44:05 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:22:31 +0100
Chris Tolley (ukonline really) wrote:
They may not even understand the language. How on earth do you suppose

They could always try learning it. Just a thought...

A bit hard when your husband has effective control on your activities.

Utter drivel. How hard is it to buy an english book, watch TV, listen
to the radio? And unless they had 2 minutes notice they would have known
they were going to britain and could have learnt some before they left home.
So stop making excuses for these people.

B2003

On 06/04/2011 09:50, d wrote:
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 20:49:52 +0100
Charles wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:44:05 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:22:31 +0100
Chris (ukonline really) wrote:
They may not even understand the language. How on earth do you suppose

They could always try learning it. Just a thought...

A bit hard when your husband has effective control on your activities.

Utter drivel. How hard is it to buy an english book, watch TV, listen
to the radio? And unless they had 2 minutes notice they would have known
they were going to britain and could have learnt some before they left home.
So stop making excuses for these people.


You really haven't a clue, have you?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 13:05:49 +0100
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 06/04/2011 09:50, d wrote:
On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 20:49:52 +0100
Charles wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:44:05 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:22:31 +0100
Chris (ukonline really) wrote:
They may not even understand the language. How on earth do you suppose

They could always try learning it. Just a thought...

A bit hard when your husband has effective control on your activities.

Utter drivel. How hard is it to buy an english book, watch TV, listen
to the radio? And unless they had 2 minutes notice they would have known
they were going to britain and could have learnt some before they left home.
So stop making excuses for these people.


You really haven't a clue, have you?

I have plenty thanks. Unfortunately you and Ellison and just a couple of
hand wringing liberal apologists and the reason my council tax bill comes
with about 20 different languages at the back - all paid for by tax payers
naturally. Funny how in france you either learn french or suffer the
consequences but I don't see any human rights muppets squawking about that.

B2003