On 20/04/2011 19:39, Paul Terry wrote:

There is an enormous
shortage of engineers in the UK, mostly due to the under-funding of
Further Education and government policies to encourage youngsters to
take degrees in subjects such as tourism or media studies.

Is it? Or is it because there are non-engineering jobs open to people
with an education in engineering which can pay a lot more than
engineering businesses will, and sooner?

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Apr 20, 10:02*pm, Arthur Figgis
wrote:

On 20/04/2011 19:39, Paul Terry wrote:

There is an enormous
shortage of engineers in the UK, mostly due to the under-funding of
Further Education and government policies to encourage youngsters to
take degrees in subjects such as tourism or media studies.

Is it? Or is it because there are non-engineering jobs open to people
with an education in engineering which can pay a lot more than
engineering businesses will, and sooner?

And provide great opportunities to engineer the economy... to
destruction.

There's more to life than getting paid oodles of cash - shame that
both engineering companies don't seem to be able to promote such a
notion, and many engineering graduates seem to reject it too... cue
some sort of vague rant about the Thatcherised and atomised 'I'm
alright Jack' attitude which, in the spirit of this thread, I'll only
make a half-arsed effort to construct.

On 20/04/2011 23:05, Mizter T wrote:

On Apr 20, 10:02 pm, Arthur
wrote:

On 20/04/2011 19:39, Paul Terry wrote:

There is an enormous
shortage of engineers in the UK, mostly due to the under-funding of
Further Education and government policies to encourage youngsters to
take degrees in subjects such as tourism or media studies.

Is it? Or is it because there are non-engineering jobs open to people
with an education in engineering which can pay a lot more than
engineering businesses will, and sooner?

And provide great opportunities to engineer the economy... to
destruction.

The people doing it don't seem to be doing too badly!

There's more to life than getting paid oodles of cash

But oodles of cash generally do help get the more (so people with oodles
of cash tell me, anyway).


- shame that
both engineering companies don't seem to be able to promote such a
notion, and many engineering graduates seem to reject it too... cue
some sort of vague rant about the Thatcherised and atomised 'I'm
alright Jack' attitude which, in the spirit of this thread, I'll only
make a half-arsed effort to construct.

Plus the Stalinist system, the EU, Gordon Brown, Bilderbergers, Bob Crow
etc.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:05:55 -0700 (PDT)
Mizter T wrote:
There's more to life than getting paid oodles of cash - shame that
both engineering companies don't seem to be able to promote such a
notion, and many engineering graduates seem to reject it too... cue

Unfortunately in this country engineers and scientists are at best
treated as slightly dotty boffins. At worst , greasy haired sociopaths
who wouldn't be allowed in polite company. There are a few exceptions
who are allowed into polite society , usually biologists because thats
a slightly more soft focused subject that the liberal arts types can almost
understand the simpler concepts of so they don't feel so threatened.

Until this mindset changes science and engineering in this country is
pretty much doomed since if kids don't see it as attractive by the time
they're old enough to go to university its pretty much too late.

B2003

On 2011-04-21 09:37:36 +0100, d said:

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 15:05:55 -0700 (PDT)
Mizter T wrote:
There's more to life than getting paid oodles of cash - shame that
both engineering companies don't seem to be able to promote such a
notion, and many engineering graduates seem to reject it too... cue

Unfortunately in this country engineers and scientists are at best
treated as slightly dotty boffins. At worst , greasy haired sociopaths
who wouldn't be allowed in polite company. There are a few exceptions
who are allowed into polite society , usually biologists because thats
a slightly more soft focused subject that the liberal arts types can almost
understand the simpler concepts of so they don't feel so threatened.

Until this mindset changes science and engineering in this country is
pretty much doomed since if kids don't see it as attractive by the time
they're old enough to go to university its pretty much too late.

B2003

Well said that man!