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On Wed, 4 May 2011 21:33:51 +0100
"Mr Pounder" wrote:
I was for 19 years.
Maybe you should try it sometime?

What for? I have a career, I don't need a blue collar job.

But maybe not, you have not got the guts.

Guts as in the 9 months pregnant beer belly that most of you lot seem to
sport? No, you're right, I don't have those sort of guts.

B2003

No gut on me mate, never has been.

On 05/05/2011 09:52, d wrote:

wrote:

I got the impression from this exchange that Boltar and Nugent had never
crossed swords before. Am i imagining that? That would be incredible if it
was true - they're two of the main ****s on UK usenet, so i'd assume they'd
know each other well. Do they not have some sort of club, with a newsletter
and so on?

The weirdest thing about your post is that you imagine it to be witty and
clever. You probably even imagine yourself to be witty and clever.

He's a utl lurker who's a bit over excited because he's just gone national
on urd. If I crossposted to nyc.transit too he'd probably require
resuscitation.

Thanks for the info.

"Bruce" wrote:

"GT" wrote:

"Bruce" wrote:

"GT" wrote:
Double red lines? What are they?

They signify "No Stopping" on London's designated "Red Routes".
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/fine...ons/10185.aspx

I have read that page, including reference to the PCNs, but are they
actually a recognised, enforceable highway code entity, or just London
local
authority doing what it likes?

I believe specific legislation was passed - the Traffic Management Act
2004. This Act made specific reference only to London, however there
are also Red Routes in Birmingham.

The Act also refers to powers under the Highways Act 1980 and the Road
Traffic Regulation Act 1984.

This is far from being a complete answer to your question and I
present it only as a possible starting point for your research.


Red Routes in London have their genesis in the Road Traffic Act 1991, which
also established a new body, the Traffic Director for London (under the
Department of Transport), who was to establish and take control of a
Priority Route Network in London. The role of the Traffic Director for
London was subsumed by TfL on it's foundation in 2000, and the Priority
Route Network became the TLRN (or Transport for London Road Network -
initially called the Greater London Road Network I think).

The Red Routes in Birmingham will of course have some sort of statutory
basis - no mention of what that is on the Red Route section of the
Birmingham City Council website, but I'm sure if GT were to email them
then they'd reply with the required information.

"Mizter T" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote:
"GT" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote:
"GT" wrote:
Double red lines? What are they?

They signify "No Stopping" on London's designated "Red Routes".
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/fine...ons/10185.aspx

I have read that page, including reference to the PCNs, but are they
actually a recognised, enforceable highway code entity, or just London
local
authority doing what it likes?

I believe specific legislation was passed - the Traffic Management Act
2004. This Act made specific reference only to London, however there
are also Red Routes in Birmingham.

The Act also refers to powers under the Highways Act 1980 and the Road
Traffic Regulation Act 1984.

This is far from being a complete answer to your question and I
present it only as a possible starting point for your research.


Red Routes in London have their genesis in the Road Traffic Act 1991, which
also established a new body, the Traffic Director for London (under the
Department of Transport), who was to establish and take control of a
Priority Route Network in London. The role of the Traffic Director for
London was subsumed by TfL on it's foundation in 2000, and the Priority
Route Network became the TLRN (or Transport for London Road Network -
initially called the Greater London Road Network I think).

The Red Routes in Birmingham will of course have some sort of statutory
basis - no mention of what that is on the Red Route section of the
Birmingham City Council website, but I'm sure if GT were to email them
then they'd reply with the required information.


It is interesting that each individual Red Route in London required a
Traffic Order to be passed by Parliament, implying that the powers of
the Traffic Director are somewhat limited. I would expect that a
similar Order(s) was/were needed for Birmingham. But as I have made
clear, it is up to GT (or anyone else interested) to do their own
detailed research, as I have only skimmed the subject.

On 6 May, 15:32, Bruce wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote:
"GT" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote:
"GT" wrote:
Double red lines? What are they?

They signify "No Stopping" on London's designated "Red Routes".
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/fine...ons/10185.aspx

I have read that page, including reference to the PCNs, but are they
actually a recognised, enforceable highway code entity, or just London
local
authority doing what it likes?

I believe specific legislation was passed - the Traffic Management Act
2004. *This Act made specific reference only to London, however there
are also Red Routes in Birmingham.

The Act also refers to powers under the Highways Act 1980 and the Road
Traffic Regulation Act 1984.

This is far from being a complete answer to your question and I
present it only as a possible starting point for your research.

Red Routes in London have their genesis in the Road Traffic Act 1991, which
also established a new body, the Traffic Director for London (under the
Department of Transport), who was to establish and take control of a
Priority Route Network in London. The role of the Traffic Director for
London was subsumed by TfL on it's foundation in 2000, and the Priority
Route Network became the TLRN (or Transport for London Road Network -
initially called the Greater London Road Network I think).

The Red Routes in Birmingham will of course have some sort of statutory
basis - no mention of what that is on the Red Route section of the
Birmingham City Council website, but I'm sure if GT were to email them
then they'd reply with the required information.

It is interesting that each individual Red Route in London required a
Traffic Order to be passed by Parliament, implying that the powers of
the Traffic Director are somewhat limited. *I would expect that a
similar Order(s) was/were needed for Birmingham. *But as I have made
clear, it is up to GT (or anyone else interested) to do their own
detailed research, as I have only skimmed the subject.- Hide quoted text -

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Is a "Black Cab" without a passenger allowed in a "bus lane"

Saw a "mini-cab" stop on zig-zag lines last night.

Also a mini-cab driver had no clue that he should have had headlights
not side lights on when driving on a motorway

Stephen Bagwell wrote:

Also a mini-cab driver had no clue that he should have had headlights
not side lights on when driving on a motorway.


Driving with only sidelights on is never a good idea, but I wasn't
aware of any statute prohibiting their use on motorways.

Bruce wrote:

Stephen Bagwell wrote:

Also a mini-cab driver had no clue that he should have had headlights
not side lights on when driving on a motorway.


Driving with only sidelights on is never a good idea, but I wasn't
aware of any statute prohibiting their use on motorways.

Tssk, Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989

"25.- (1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no person shall use, or
cause or permit to be used, on a road a vehicle which is fitted with
obligatory dipped-beam headlamps unless every such lamp is kept lit-"

paragraph (2) states that the dipped beam headlamps do not need to be
lit *if*:

[summary, not verbatim]

(a)+(b) main-beam is in use, or the visibility is seriously reduced and
foglamps are in use *provided* that such foglamps are not more than
400mm from the outer edge of the vehicle.

(c) vehicle is being towed
(d) Vehicle is ploughing snow
(e) Vehicle is parked


Which means all those tools who drive around on sidelights are not
legal.

All those tools who drive around with foglamps on when there is no fog,
likewise.

On May 7, 8:02*am, Stephen Bagwell wrote:
[snip]
Is a "Black Cab" without a passenger allowed in a "bus lane"

Yes.

In message , at 11:03:38 on
Sat, 7 May 2011, Steve Firth remarked:

Tssk, Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989

"25.- (1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no person shall use, or
cause or permit to be used, on a road a vehicle which is fitted with
obligatory dipped-beam headlamps unless every such lamp is kept lit-"

Presumably there's another clause that defines "such lamps" to include
all(?) the vehicle's lights, not just the dipped headlights.

Otherwise all it's saying is that if you have dipped headlights you must
always have them alight. (Which doesn't make sense either).
--
Roland Perry

On 2011\05\07 11:03, Steve Firth wrote:


Which means all those tools who drive around on sidelights are not
legal.

I thought driving with sidelights was legal if the road has streetlamps,
which many motorways do.