On Sat, 16 Jul 2011, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:19:09 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote:

There is an idea that trains could run from the Thameslink core to
Cambridge, or at least on to some part of the Great Northern route, via
a junction just north of St Pancras Low Level.

More than an idea.

What is the status of this idea? Is it a definite part of the Thameslink
masterplan?

Yes it is part of Thameslink 3,100,125 (sorry couldn't resist)

Has it been scrapped? Was it never more than conjecture? Have
i dreamed it up?

Not scrapped, it is more than conjecture.

So do we have a date for when services might run? Re-reading the Wikipedia
page, i see that they list the St Pancras works under KO2 [1]:

New permanent way (track level, in this case including both plain rail
and junctions) and overhead line equipment will be laid out in the new
Canal Tunnels just north of St Pancras between the Thameslink route and
the East Coast Main Line,[32] thereby opening up the Thameslink network
to new destinations north of Central London.

Which should finish in 2018. Would we expect service patterns to change
immediately?

Anyway, thanks for the responses, gents.

tom

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thamesl...282013-2018.29

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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
th.li...

Which should finish in 2018. Would we expect service patterns to change
immediately?

The most up to date info is in the draft London and South East RUS - which
amongst other info about the ECML and Kings Cross services gives the
Thameslink GN side as 8 tph, of which:

2 tph 12 car Peterborough
2 tph 12 car Cambridge
4 tph 8 car Welwyn GC

all from 2018

Paul S

On Jul 16, 9:59*am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message

th.li...

Which should finish in 2018. Would we expect service patterns to change
immediately?

The most up to date info is in the draft London and South East RUS - which
amongst other info about the ECML and Kings Cross services gives the
Thameslink GN side as 8 tph, of which:

2 tph 12 car Peterborough
2 tph 12 car Cambridge
4 tph 8 car Welwyn GC

all from 2018

To where will the Northern City trains run, post Thameslink.

On Jul 16, 6:30*pm, 1506 wrote:
On Jul 16, 9:59*am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:



"Tom Anderson" wrote in message

rth.li...

Which should finish in 2018. Would we expect service patterns to change
immediately?

The most up to date info is in the draft London and South East RUS - which
amongst other info about the ECML and Kings Cross services gives the
Thameslink GN side as 8 tph, of which:

2 tph 12 car Peterborough
2 tph 12 car Cambridge
4 tph 8 car Welwyn GC

all from 2018

To where will the Northern City trains run, post Thameslink.

Moorgate as they can't go anywhere else.

)

--
Nick

"1506" wrote in message
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On Jul 16, 9:59 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
The most up to date info is in the draft London and South East RUS -
which
amongst other info about the ECML and Kings Cross services gives the
Thameslink GN side as 8 tph, of which:

2 tph 12 car Peterborough
2 tph 12 car Cambridge
4 tph 8 car Welwyn GC

all from 2018

To where will the Northern City trains run, post Thameslink.

10 of 12 tph will be from the Hertford Loop:

"Following completion of the Thameslink
Programme it is likely that the current peak
service into Moorgate will remain 12 trains per
hour as today. However, several of the existing
Welwyn Garden City to Moorgate/London
King's Cross services are anticipated as being
re-routed through the Thameslink core. Capacity
is therefore freed up on the branch, enabling a
frequency increase to 10 trains per hour on the
Hertford Loop."

Paul S

On Jul 16, 11:38*am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
"1506" wrote in message

...

On Jul 16, 9:59 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
The most up to date info is in the draft London and South East RUS -
which
amongst other info about the ECML and Kings Cross services gives the
Thameslink GN side as 8 tph, of which:

2 tph 12 car Peterborough
2 tph 12 car Cambridge
4 tph 8 car Welwyn GC

all from 2018

To where will the Northern City trains run, post Thameslink.

10 of 12 tph will be from the Hertford Loop:

"Following completion of the Thameslink
Programme it is likely that the current peak
service into Moorgate will remain 12 trains per
hour as today. However, several of the existing
Welwyn Garden City to Moorgate/London
King's Cross services are anticipated as being
re-routed through the Thameslink core. Capacity
is therefore freed up on the branch, enabling a
frequency increase to 10 trains per hour on the
Hertford Loop."

Thank you. Does that mean at times (Monday - Friday) the Hertford
loop will be served exclusively from Moorgate?

"1506" wrote

Thank you. Does that mean at times (Monday - Friday) the Hertford
loop will be served exclusively from Moorgate?

As is the case now.

Peter

In article ,
(Peter Masson) wrote:

"1506" wrote

Thank you. Does that mean at times (Monday - Friday) the Hertford
loop will be served exclusively from Moorgate?

As is the case now.

I think it will be the other way round. Most of the Moorgate trains will
be from Hertford.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Does it also mean that the big tube down to Moorgate would also have to be
used at weekends?

With a handy interchange at Highbury and Islington to the Overground lines I
would have thought it might have been quite useful.

On Jul 16, 6:30*pm, 1506 wrote:
On Jul 16, 9:59*am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:



"Tom Anderson" wrote in message

rth.li...

Which should finish in 2018. Would we expect service patterns to change
immediately?

The most up to date info is in the draft London and South East RUS - which
amongst other info about the ECML and Kings Cross services gives the
Thameslink GN side as 8 tph, of which:

2 tph 12 car Peterborough
2 tph 12 car Cambridge
4 tph 8 car Welwyn GC

all from 2018

To where will the Northern City trains run, post Thameslink.- Hide quoted text -

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If it the case that all (or most) Moorgate trains will be Hertford
Loop ones, (with WGC services going to Thameslink), I guess it could
be because they would conveniently use the up 'goods' line from
Alexandra P to F Pk which is planned to be converted for passenger
trains use to provide extra capacity. With the upgraded track being
on W side of current USL, presumably Hertford Loop trains would be
able run from Alexandra P to N City branch without any conflict with
ECML/WGC trains.