Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
 

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BTW, when will it be possible to use Oystercards to exit and enter at
Brighton?

Won't happen.

The DfT's policy is that ITSO will be the national format, and as Paul
Corfield keeps pointing out, the current effort is going towards making the
Oyster system ITSO compliant.

Paul S

Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
 

In the mirror image of the OPs question, my London Freedom pass worked
perfectly well on the card readers on Brighton buses last Saturday.
Not sure how all the reconciliation between LAs works. London has a
flat fare scheme, so each journey can be costed, but I doubt if that's
true for Brighton. Tunbridge Wells to Brighton must cost more than,
say, Brighton to Rottingdean.

Peter

Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
 

"peter" wrote in message
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In the mirror image of the OPs question, my London Freedom pass worked
perfectly well on the card readers on Brighton buses last Saturday.
Not sure how all the reconciliation between LAs works.

I don't think there is any reconciliation (yet), as far as previous
discussions have determined. The presumption is that for a return journey
between areas one local authority will be hit for the agreed flat fare for
each direction.

Hence there are supposed to be significant problems for local authorities in
popular seaside towns which just have to cope with however many bus pass
wielding visitors turn up from other districts.

Paul S

Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
 

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(peter) wrote:

In the mirror image of the OPs question, my London Freedom pass worked
perfectly well on the card readers on Brighton buses last Saturday.
Not sure how all the reconciliation between LAs works. London has a
flat fare scheme, so each journey can be costed, but I doubt if that's
true for Brighton. Tunbridge Wells to Brighton must cost more than,
say, Brighton to Rottingdean.

There is no reconciliation. Brighton had to pay for your journey.

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Colin Rosenstiel

Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:32:30PM +0100, Clive Page wrote:

Does anyone else from outside the London Freedom Pass area but who holds
a Bus Pass know if it works on buses in London (or anywhere else, I've
had problems with mine in Oxford too)?

Yes, they work. They work by you showing them to the driver or ticket
inspector. You don't need to touch them on the Oyster pads, because
they're yet another of the eleventy squillion special cases that have
piled up around Oyster.

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David Cantrell | Bourgeois reactionary pig

Safety tip: never strap firearms to a hamster

Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
 

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(Paul Scott) wrote:

"peter" wrote in message
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In the mirror image of the OPs question, my London Freedom pass worked
perfectly well on the card readers on Brighton buses last Saturday.
Not sure how all the reconciliation between LAs works.

I don't think there is any reconciliation (yet), as far as previous
discussions have determined. The presumption is that for a return journey
between areas one local authority will be hit for the agreed flat fare for
each direction.

Hence there are supposed to be significant problems for local authorities
in popular seaside towns which just have to cope with however many bus
pass wielding visitors turn up from other districts.

Not just seaside. Cambridge City was hit for a multi-million bill not funded
by a Government that was very good at giving away other people's money.
Since April the funding has shifted form District to County authorities in
two-tier areas which has spread the pain a bit. Cornwall is still well down
in funds.

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Colin Rosenstiel

Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
 

In message
, at
01:08:47 on Mon, 22 Aug 2011, peter remarked:
In the mirror image of the OPs question, my London Freedom pass worked
perfectly well on the card readers on Brighton buses last Saturday.
Not sure how all the reconciliation between LAs works.

Is there a reconciliation? I thought the LA where each (single) journey
started paid all that cost. Hence claims that it's "unfair" for LAs with
tourist/shopping attractions who have to pay to get all their OAP
visitors/customers back home.
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Roland Perry

Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
 

On 22/08/2011 09:08, peter wrote:
In the mirror image of the OPs question, my London Freedom pass worked
perfectly well on the card readers on Brighton buses last Saturday.
Not sure how all the reconciliation between LAs works. London has a
flat fare scheme, so each journey can be costed, but I doubt if that's
true for Brighton. Tunbridge Wells to Brighton must cost more than,
say, Brighton to Rottingdean.

I wondered about that myself. The standard way of using Oyster on a
London bus is just to touch in, but outside London most bus fares depend
on the distance. At present you have to tell the driver your
destination, and he gives you a ticket for a given fare. If you have a
bus pass, the ticket is priced at zero to you, but the system knows how
much to charge the local Council. But if you just touch in at the
start of the journey, the system has no knowledge of how far you are
going. So how does this work in other places: do you have to touch in
AND touch out?


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Clive Page

Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
 

On 22/08/2011 11:31, David Cantrell wrote:
Yes, they work. They work by you showing them to the driver or ticket
inspector. You don't need to touch them on the Oyster pads, because
they're yet another of the eleventy squillion special cases that have
piled up around Oyster.

Yes, but the other week I used my non-Oxford bus pass on a bus in
Oxford. The driver motioned to me to touch it on the touch pad, and was
very surprised when it did not work. He then played about with his
machine for a bit and eventually issued me with a zero-cost ticket. But
he told me that nearly all bus passes worked his machine, and not just
those issued in Oxford City itself (this was a park-and-ride bus, mostly
used by those not living in Oxford itself).

So why didn't it work? My Council claims its recently-issued cards are
ITSO-compatible, and has checked my pass and told me that it is in
working order (it is certainly capable of interfering with an Oyster
card if it's nearby when I touch that in/out, which suggests its
RFID-works are working). I'm baffled.

I guess that technology this advanced handled by local council officials
and bus companies is bound to end up a bit of a mess.

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Clive Page

Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
 

In article , (Clive Page)
wrote:

On 22/08/2011 09:08, peter wrote:
In the mirror image of the OPs question, my London Freedom pass worked
perfectly well on the card readers on Brighton buses last Saturday.
Not sure how all the reconciliation between LAs works. London has a
flat fare scheme, so each journey can be costed, but I doubt if that's
true for Brighton. Tunbridge Wells to Brighton must cost more than,
say, Brighton to Rottingdean.

I wondered about that myself. The standard way of using Oyster on a
London bus is just to touch in, but outside London most bus fares
depend on the distance. At present you have to tell the driver your
destination, and he gives you a ticket for a given fare. If you have
a bus pass, the ticket is priced at zero to you, but the system knows
how much to charge the local Council. But if you just touch in at
the start of the journey, the system has no knowledge of how far you
are going. So how does this work in other places: do you have to
touch in AND touch out?

It depends on the bus operator. In Cambridge you now mostly touch in and say
where you are going.

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Colin Rosenstiel