I have only just noticed that the LU underground map is now branded the tube
map, interesting as it also includes the overground lines and the DLR.
When did the Underground as a whole become the Tube?

Kevin

On Sep 5, 10:29*pm, "Zen83237" wrote:
I have only just noticed that the LU underground map is now branded the tube
map, interesting as it also includes the overground lines and the DLR.
When did the Underground as a whole become the Tube?

The "Tube map" has been so called for many years now - though they did
use to call it the "Journey planner" for a number of years beforehand
- that's referred to here by the artist Simon Patterson (he of the
Great Bear):
http://www.thegathering-artscouncilc...simonpatterson

Not sure when it changed to being the "Tube Map" but this suggests it
had happened by 1995:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/17889585@N03/3588617911/
(or were the posters and leaflets of the map/diagram referred to by
different names?)

The Underground as a whole hasn't become the Tube though - instead the
'Tube' is just a short-hand term, one that's widely used colloquially
- I think LT may have resisted for a while before eventually giving up
and adopting it themselves (is that fair to say, LT/LU historians?).

Here's an example of it in use on a "London Tube - Diagram of Lines"
leaflet (not quite a "Tube map" but close enough) in 1979:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/slipstreamjc/4348300895/

Also from 1979, "Fly the Tube" poster:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/The-Tube-1979-poster
(search the LT Museum poster collection using the term "the Tube" for
more examples)

"The Tube" is also a registered trade mark (no. 1527320) of TfL -
filed in 1993 and granted in 1995, though obviously used by LT/LU
before this date (organisations weren't quite so fastidious about
intellectual property in years gone by as they are nowadays).

In the period after the creation of the GLA and TfL, but when London
Underground remained under the control of central government (through
LRT), LU has a website which was at the address http://
www.thetube.com - it redirects to the LU modal pages on the TfL
website now, but here's what seems to be the earliest capture of it in
on the Internet Archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/200010182...w.thetube.com/

(the two notable items on that page being "Tube strike latest" and
"Northern line derailment"...)

TfL (and beforehand, LT/LU) seem pretty meticulous in always
capitalising the T in Tube. Nonetheless the widespread application of
the term does seem to somewhat agitate the purists...

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Sep 5, 10:29*pm, "Zen83237" wrote:
I have only just noticed that the LU underground map is now branded the
tube map, interesting as it also includes the overground lines and the
DLR. When did the Underground as a whole become the Tube?

The "Tube map" has been so called for many years now - though they did
use to call it the "Journey planner" for a number of years beforehand
- that's referred to here by the artist Simon Patterson (he of the
Great Bear):

http://www.thegathering-artscouncilc.../simonpatterso
n

Not sure when it changed to being the "Tube Map" but this suggests it
had happened by 1995:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/17889585@N03/3588617911/
(or were the posters and leaflets of the map/diagram referred to by
different names?)

The Underground as a whole hasn't become the Tube though - instead the
'Tube' is just a short-hand term, one that's widely used colloquially
- I think LT may have resisted for a while before eventually giving up
and adopting it themselves (is that fair to say, LT/LU historians?).

Here's an example of it in use on a "London Tube - Diagram of Lines"
leaflet (not quite a "Tube map" but close enough) in 1979:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/slipstreamjc/4348300895/

Also from 1979, "Fly the Tube" poster:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/The-Tube-1979-poster
(search the LT Museum poster collection using the term "the Tube" for
more examples)

"The Tube" is also a registered trade mark (no. 1527320) of TfL -
filed in 1993 and granted in 1995, though obviously used by LT/LU
before this date (organisations weren't quite so fastidious about
intellectual property in years gone by as they are nowadays).

In the period after the creation of the GLA and TfL, but when London
Underground remained under the control of central government (through
LRT), LU has a website which was at the address http://
www.thetube.com - it redirects to the LU modal pages on the TfL
website now, but here's what seems to be the earliest capture of it in
on the Internet Archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/200010182...w.thetube.com/

(the two notable items on that page being "Tube strike latest" and
"Northern line derailment"...)

TfL (and beforehand, LT/LU) seem pretty meticulous in always
capitalising the T in Tube. Nonetheless the widespread application of
the term does seem to somewhat agitate the purists...

The term "Tube" goes back to the earliest days of deep-level tunnels. Wasn't
the Central London Railway (now the Central Line) dubbed "The Tuppenny Tube"
soon after opening in 1900?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
[...]
The term "Tube" goes back to the earliest days of deep-level tunnels.
Wasn't
the Central London Railway (now the Central Line) dubbed "The Tuppenny
Tube"
soon after opening in 1900?

It was - the company promoted themselves as such (dunno if they actually
first came up with that phrase though) - but my comments were more in terms
of when the term 'Tube' became a popularly used expression to describe the
whole system, whether deep-level tube or sub-surface lines.

wrote in message
...
In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Sep 5, 10:29 pm, "Zen83237" wrote:
I have only just noticed that the LU underground map is now branded the
tube map, interesting as it also includes the overground lines and the
DLR. When did the Underground as a whole become the Tube?

The "Tube map" has been so called for many years now - though they did
use to call it the "Journey planner" for a number of years beforehand
- that's referred to here by the artist Simon Patterson (he of the
Great Bear):

http://www.thegathering-artscouncilc.../simonpatterso
n

Not sure when it changed to being the "Tube Map" but this suggests it
had happened by 1995:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/17889585@N03/3588617911/
(or were the posters and leaflets of the map/diagram referred to by
different names?)

The Underground as a whole hasn't become the Tube though - instead the
'Tube' is just a short-hand term, one that's widely used colloquially
- I think LT may have resisted for a while before eventually giving up
and adopting it themselves (is that fair to say, LT/LU historians?).

Here's an example of it in use on a "London Tube - Diagram of Lines"
leaflet (not quite a "Tube map" but close enough) in 1979:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/slipstreamjc/4348300895/

Also from 1979, "Fly the Tube" poster:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/The-Tube-1979-poster
(search the LT Museum poster collection using the term "the Tube" for
more examples)

"The Tube" is also a registered trade mark (no. 1527320) of TfL -
filed in 1993 and granted in 1995, though obviously used by LT/LU
before this date (organisations weren't quite so fastidious about
intellectual property in years gone by as they are nowadays).

In the period after the creation of the GLA and TfL, but when London
Underground remained under the control of central government (through
LRT), LU has a website which was at the address http://
www.thetube.com - it redirects to the LU modal pages on the TfL
website now, but here's what seems to be the earliest capture of it in
on the Internet Archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/200010182...w.thetube.com/

(the two notable items on that page being "Tube strike latest" and
"Northern line derailment"...)

TfL (and beforehand, LT/LU) seem pretty meticulous in always
capitalising the T in Tube. Nonetheless the widespread application of
the term does seem to somewhat agitate the purists...

The term "Tube" goes back to the earliest days of deep-level tunnels.
Wasn't
the Central London Railway (now the Central Line) dubbed "The Tuppenny
Tube"
soon after opening in 1900?

--
Colin Rosenstiel
But as a whole I have always referred to it as the Underground. It is after
all run by London Underground. I now find that some people inclding TfL
themselves no refer to the whole system as the tube.

"Zen83237" wrote:

wrote:

The term "Tube" goes back to the earliest days of deep-level tunnels.
Wasn't the Central London Railway (now the Central Line) dubbed "The
Tuppenny Tube" soon after opening in 1900?

But as a whole I have always referred to it as the Underground. It is
after all run by London Underground. I now find that some people inclding
TfL themselves no refer to the whole system as the tube.

Nothing new in that at all - TfL refer to it as both the Tube and London
Underground, as has been the case for the past three decades.

Some references to the "Tube" in official publicity...

1978:
http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters/poster/poster.html?_IXSR_=24QJ1eoqNwo&_IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv =2000/9595&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST_=14

1981:
http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters/poster/poster.html?_IXSR_=24QJ1eoqNwo&_IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv =2000/7323&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST_=19

1982:
http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters/poster/poster.html?_IXSR_=24QJ1eoqNwo&_IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv =2000/7142&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST_=22

1982:
http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters/poster/poster.html?_IXSR_=24QJ1eoqNwo&_IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv =2000/6532&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST_=20

1983 (very eighties!):
http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters/poster/poster.html?_IXSR_=24QJ1eoqNwo&_IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv =1999/39466&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST_=23

1986:
http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters/poster/poster.html?_IXSR_=24QJ1eoqNwo&_IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv =1987/28/2&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST_=30

1987:
http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters/poster/poster.html?_IXSR_=24QJ1eoqNwo&_IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv =2000/4484&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST_=35

1988:
http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters/poster/poster.html?_IXSR_=24QJ1eoqNwo&_IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv =1989/99&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST_=40

1994:
http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters/poster/poster.html?_IXSR_=24QJ1eoqNwo&_IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv =1996/8353&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST_=59

In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

"Zen83237" wrote:

wrote:

The term "Tube" goes back to the earliest days of deep-level tunnels.
Wasn't the Central London Railway (now the Central Line) dubbed "The
Tuppenny Tube" soon after opening in 1900?

But as a whole I have always referred to it as the Underground. It
is after all run by London Underground. I now find that some people
inclding TfL themselves no refer to the whole system as the tube.

Nothing new in that at all - TfL refer to it as both the Tube and
London Underground, as has been the case for the past three decades.

Some references to the "Tube" in official publicity...

1978:

http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters...=24QJ1eoqNwo&_
IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv=2000/9595&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST
_=14

1981:

http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters...=24QJ1eoqNwo&_
IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv=2000/7323&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST
_=19

1982:

http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters...=24QJ1eoqNwo&_
IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv=2000/7142&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST
_=22

1982:

http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters...=24QJ1eoqNwo&_
IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv=2000/6532&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST
_=20

1983 (very eighties!):

http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters...=24QJ1eoqNwo&_
IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv=1999/39466&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRS
T_=23

1986:

http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters...=24QJ1eoqNwo&_
IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv=1987/28/2&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST
_=30

1987:

http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters...=24QJ1eoqNwo&_
IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv=2000/4484&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST
_=35

1988:

http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters...=24QJ1eoqNwo&_
IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv=1989/99&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST_=
40

1994:

http://www.ltmcollection.org/posters...=24QJ1eoqNwo&_
IXMAXHITS_=1&IXinv=1996/8353&IXsummary=results/results&IXsearch=tube&_IXFIRST
_=59

Long before then too, like when I was at school in the 1960s.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Actually, you can find plenty of references from the New York Times
from 1901 and 1902 referring to the London Tube.

Go to Google News and search. I've provided a shortened link he
http://bit.ly/q566GY

This is just mentions of "London Tube" together - there's even more
with the words not appearing contiguous within the publication in
question, but that would also throw up too many false positives.

On the second and third page of the search results there are some very
interesting ones.

Seems a lot of the tube was run by Americans at the start of the
century. When Bob Kiley, and then Tim O'Toole, ran it in our much more
recent history, there was quite a bit of hoo-hah and jingoism
regarding these appointments in some of the press. Ironic when you
consider the tube's early history - looks as though there's always
been a close connection with the US and the London tube - as indeed
there has been viceversa with the British involvement with the early
American railroads.

Anyway, can anyone beat New York Times 1901 for the earliest reference
of the London Tube to describe the whole system?

Apologies for replying to my own post, but while looking to see if I
could find something earlier, I did find this, which while is not
strictly an example as the Bishop of London is talking in Parliament
about the railway going throguh tubes, it is still a fascinating
reading of parliamentary discussions from 1890 which will surely
delight many he

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/l...second-reading

Oooh, earliest reference I've found in Hansard of "tube railways"
being mentioned as an expression together and then referred
subsequently as "tubes" is from 7 March 1901
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/c...9010307_HOC_42
in a speech given by the delightfully named "Chairman of Ways and
Means" which I guessed was some old title that no longer exists but I
subsequently found that indeed it still does exist and is in fact one
of the Speaker's three deputies, currently Lindsay Hoyle MP from
Chorley.