On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:40:33 +0100
Bruce wrote:
The alternative reason for warming may well be far more scientifically
sound than the IPCC's claimed "consensus", but it would present a far
more difficult situation for politicians. That's because, unlike
reducing CO2 emissions which is just about practicable, there is
probably nothing that could be done to bring warming under control. So
let's all believe the IPCC, shall we?

And what would you suggest? Do nothing and hope for the best? Climate change
aside , being less dependent on oil and russian gas is a laudable goal
anyway. And you're right, its too late to stop some warming but its not
too late to stop a lot of it.

And if you really don't believe CO2 is a greenholuse forcer but is just an
effect of warming I suggest read up on Venus.

B2003

d wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:40:33 +0100
Bruce wrote:
The alternative reason for warming may well be far more scientifically
sound than the IPCC's claimed "consensus", but it would present a far
more difficult situation for politicians. That's because, unlike
reducing CO2 emissions which is just about practicable, there is
probably nothing that could be done to bring warming under control. So
let's all believe the IPCC, shall we?

And what would you suggest? Do nothing and hope for the best?


Exactly that. The UK produces less than 2% of world emissions,
probably a lot less. The cost of cutting that in half would destroy
our economy and life as we know it, yet it not would have any
significant effect on climate change. The big emitters are the USA,
China and India, and I think the country with the worst per capita
emissions is Australia. We should follow their lead in reducing
emissions, not lead from the front and cripple our economy and way of
life to set an example. which would be political and economic suicide.
Of course that was Labour's policy. Political suicide is something
that has a strong appeal to a Labour party that has taken a turn to
the left under "Red" Ed.


Climate change
aside , being less dependent on oil and russian gas is a laudable goal
anyway. And you're right, its too late to stop some warming but its not
too late to stop a lot of it.

And if you really don't believe CO2 is a greenholuse forcer but is just an
effect of warming I suggest read up on Venus.


On Venus? Can't I read up on it here? Do Ryanair fly there?

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:49:47 +0100
Bruce wrote:
And what would you suggest? Do nothing and hope for the best?


Exactly that. The UK produces less than 2% of world emissions,
probably a lot less. The cost of cutting that in half would destroy
our economy and life as we know it, yet it not would have any

Translation: I'm alright jack. That really goes down well when trying
to persuade others.

And if you really don't believe CO2 is a greenholuse forcer but is just an
effect of warming I suggest read up on Venus.


On Venus? Can't I read up on it here? Do Ryanair fly there?

When you're painted into a corner doing a clown act doesn't make the paint go
away.

B2003

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:23:50 +0000 (UTC), d
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:49:47 +0100
Bruce wrote:
And what would you suggest? Do nothing and hope for the best?


Exactly that. The UK produces less than 2% of world emissions,
probably a lot less. The cost of cutting that in half would destroy
our economy and life as we know it, yet it not would have any

Translation: I'm alright jack. That really goes down well when trying
to persuade others.

Does the 2% include the proxy emissions associated with imports ?

And if you really don't believe CO2 is a greenholuse forcer but is just an
effect of warming I suggest read up on Venus.


On Venus? Can't I read up on it here? Do Ryanair fly there?

When you're painted into a corner doing a clown act doesn't make the paint go
away.

B2003

On 13/10/2011 11:49, Bruce wrote:
d wrote:

And if you really don't believe CO2 is a greenholuse forcer but is just an
effect of warming I suggest read up on Venus.


On Venus? Can't I read up on it here? Do Ryanair fly there?

Yes, but they call it Mercury.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:49:47AM +0100, Bruce wrote:

On Venus? Can't I read up on it here? Do Ryanair fly there?

They claim to, but you'll actually land in a small field in the middle
of the Scottish Highlands with "Venus" hurriedly daubed onto a rotten
board by the gate.

--
David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice

If you can't imagine how I do something, it's
because I have a better imagination than you