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TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...2_11_fares.pdf
gives the new Tfl fares following this weeks announcement that the level of the increase is to be cut back to "around" 6%. Notice that the Oyster PAYG bus fare is now £1.35. I suppose that it doesn't matter if they have a fare which is not a multiple of 10p if people don't have to fiddle about with loose change. Also I note that the Oyster PAYG cap is equivalent to the appropriate Day Travelcard price. I know that this has been the case for a few years now, but remember when it was 50p LESS than the travelcard price. Another back door fares increase methinks. |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 06:32:49 -0800 (PST)
Paul wrote: doesn't matter if they have a fare which is not a multiple of 10p if people don't have to fiddle about with loose change. Also I note that the Oyster PAYG cap is equivalent to the appropriate Day Travelcard price. I know that this has been the case for a few years now, but remember when it was 50p LESS than the travelcard price. Another back door fares increase methinks. Boris was on Radio London this morning waffling on about higher fares being needed because of MORE passengers using the system. Either the man is a complete buffoon and has no grasp of even the most basic micro economics or it was a tacit admission that he's trying to price people off the system. B2003 |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
"Paul" wrote in message
... Also I note that the Oyster PAYG cap is equivalent to the appropriate Day Travelcard price. I know that this has been the case for a few years now, but remember when it was 50p LESS than the travelcard price. Another back door fares increase methinks. Just two years. The 50p differential was there to reflect the fact that a daily cap on PAYG was not as useful as a day travelcard, because before then the majority of TOC services did not accept PAYG. The differential was removed from the date PAYG was extended to all National Rail within the zones, so that 50p increase wasn't really back door, because you get more coverage for your money... Explained in the Mayoral Fares decision letter in the run up to the Jan 2010 changes: "PAYG will be extended to include National Rail (NR) services within London from 2 January 2010 and a number of changes to fares and charges will be made to reflect this. These changes affect the One Day PAYG Caps which will increase to match Travelcard prices..." Paul S |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
"Paul" wrote in message
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...2_11_fares.pdf gives the new Tfl fares following this weeks announcement that the level of the increase is to be cut back to "around" 6%. Notice that the Oyster PAYG bus fare is now £1.35. I suppose that it doesn't matter if they have a fare which is not a multiple of 10p if people don't have to fiddle about with loose change. Also I note that the Oyster PAYG cap is equivalent to the appropriate Day Travelcard price. I know that this has been the case for a few years now, but remember when it was 50p LESS than the travelcard price. Another back door fares increase methinks. Yes, but the reason given is that Oyster Payg can now be used on the same NR routes that a travelcard can, so there's no justification for a lower price. A pure TfL day cap would be nice with the 50p discount, but I don't expect one (did they have to promise not to do that when getting the mainline TOCs to agree to accept Oyster?). |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 15:13:11 -0000
"Recliner" wrote: Yes, but the reason given is that Oyster Payg can now be used on the same NR routes that a travelcard can, so there's no justification for a lower price. A pure TfL day cap would be nice with the 50p discount, but I don't expect one (did they have to promise not to do that when getting the mainline TOCs to agree to accept Oyster?). It would be fairly simple to modify the software to have a variable cap depending on whether you've travelled via any NR stations or just used TfL services. Unlike a paper travelcard a PAYG oyster knows exactly where you've been and ergo so does TfL so there's no justification for a blanket cap rate based on the fact that "well if you wanted you could have used national rail". B2003 |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
"Recliner" wrote in message
... ...A pure TfL day cap would be nice with the 50p discount, but I don't expect one (did they have to promise not to do that when getting the mainline TOCs to agree to accept Oyster?). But you couldn't practically have two different caps one unless each and every shared station had separate LU and NR gatelines. Paul S |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
"Paul" wrote in message ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...2_11_fares.pdf gives the new Tfl fares following this weeks announcement that the level of the increase is to be cut back to "around" 6%. Notice that the Oyster PAYG bus fare is now £1.35. I suppose that it doesn't matter if they have a fare which is not a multiple of 10p if people don't have to fiddle about with loose change. Also I note that the Oyster PAYG cap is equivalent to the appropriate Day Travelcard price. I know that this has been the case for a few years now, but remember when it was 50p LESS than the travelcard price. Another back door fares increase methinks. -------------------------------------------------------------- wasn't that removed last year (as in for this year's prices)? tim |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
"Paul Scott" wrote in message ... "Paul" wrote in message ... Also I note that the Oyster PAYG cap is equivalent to the appropriate Day Travelcard price. I know that this has been the case for a few years now, but remember when it was 50p LESS than the travelcard price. Another back door fares increase methinks. Just two years. The 50p differential was there to reflect the fact that a daily cap on PAYG was not as useful as a day travelcard, because before then the majority of TOC services did not accept PAYG. But it's still not *as* "useful". You still have to make sure to avoid all the crap of getting an unresolved journey because the system is faulty. Something which you don't have to do with a paper ticket. tim |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
On Dec 2, 2:32*pm, Paul wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...2_11_fares.pdf gives the new Tfl fares following this weeks announcement that the level of the increase is to be cut back to "around" 6%. An interesting development in and of itself, given that central government doesn't have a formal role in London fares policy. Bearing in mind the Mayoral election next year, as someone said in the Standard this was perhaps a case of the Chancellor saving Boris from himself (the Mayor having been adamant that he was sticking to the trajectory vis-a-vis 'responsible' fare rises that he set himself on a few years back). Notice that the Oyster PAYG bus fare is now £1.35. I suppose that it doesn't matter if they have a fare which is not a multiple of 10p if people don't have to fiddle about with loose change. Though Tube ticket machines stopped accepting 5 pence pieces some time ago - however pretty sure all National Rail machines that 'do' Oyster do take 5p pieces. Also I note that the Oyster PAYG cap is equivalent to the appropriate Day Travelcard price. *I know that this has been the case for a few years now, but remember when it was 50p LESS than the travelcard price. Another back door fares increase methinks. As others have said, this 50p differential disappeared in Jan 2010 when Oyster PAYG went live across the whole of the National Rail network in London (logic being that it became equivalent to a Day Travelcard). |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:37:06 -0000, "tim...."
wrote: Something which you don't have to do with a paper ticket. Then buy one. They are still available. Neil -- Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
"tim...." wrote in message
... wasn't that removed last year (as in for this year's prices)? 2 years ago, for the Jan 2010 rises, as in my earlier post... Paul S |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
On Dec 3, 10:24*am, Neil Williams wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:37:06 -0000, "tim...." wrote: Something which you don't have to do with a paper ticket. Then buy one. *They are still available. Neil -- Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK But not at any shops - which is a real kick in the teeth for anyone not living within walking distance of a station. They have to pay a bus fare before they can then buy a Travelcard. |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
Jack wrote
Then buy one. *They are still available. But not at any shops - which is a real kick in the teeth for anyone not living within walking distance of a station. They have to pay a bus fare before they can then buy a Travelcard. Not if they buy their ODTC in advance, eg the previous day or even get someone else to do the purchase on their way home. -- Mike D |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 10:24:23AM +0000, Neil Williams wrote:
On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:37:06 -0000, "tim...." wrote: Something which you don't have to do with a paper ticket. Then buy one. They are still available. Not according to the ticket office at White City they're not. -- David Cantrell | top google result for "topless karaoke murders" In Victorian times, when every man wore a beard the size of a yew, Britain ruled the world. In the early 20th century, when the beard was trimmed to a moustache, we scraped through two world wars but lost an empire. Today, when Mach3 Turbo multi-blades are the norm, our national pride derives largely from beating the Swedes at Olympic cycling. Grow a beard. Your country needs you. |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
On Mon, 05 Dec 2011 14:53:25 +0000, David Cantrell
wrote: Not according to the ticket office at White City they're not. Try a National Rail ticket office... Neil -- Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
"David Cantrell" wrote: On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 10:24:23AM +0000, Neil Williams wrote: On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:37:06 -0000, "tim...." wrote: Something which you don't have to do with a paper ticket. Then buy one. They are still available. Not according to the ticket office at White City they're not. Was this what they actually said to you? If so they were wrong - if we're talking about Day Travelcards, that is - Day Travelcards are (or should be) sold from any open Tube station ticket office, and they're also available from all Tube ticket machines. (It's different for *season* Travelcards though - Tube station ticket offices / self-service ticket machines and 'Oyster Ticket Stops' i.e. shops have only sold season Travelcards on Oyster for a number of years now - though they're still available in printed form from NR ticket offices.) For confirmation of this see: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14433.aspx ---quote--- Tube stations * Get and top up Oyster cards * Buy Travelcard season tickets * Buy paper tickets for single and return journeys and Day Travelcards Ticket machines: Top up your Oyster card with any amount of credit, add season tickets or buy paper tickets. Ticket offices: Check our interactive journey map for ticket office opening times at each station. Ticket offices will top-up Oyster cards if you're putting on at least £5. ---/quote--- Also, this PDF (linked to from the above page) shows different ticket types and where you can buy them from - on page 2 it explicitly states that Day Travelcards are available from Tube ticket offices: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/tickets/where-can-i-buy-my-ticket-january-2011.pdf If a Tube ticket office refused to sell you one then that's obvious grounds for a complaint. (I did have a clerk at a Tube ticket office get difficult about selling me a railcard-discounted Day Travelcard when I presented my Network Railcard - they were convinced that it should come with an accompanying photocard, a la the 16-25/ Y-P Railcard - they did sell me one after my exasperated look made clear that I wasn't going to leave without one.) |
TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 11:56:28AM -0000, Mizter T wrote:
"David Cantrell" wrote: On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 10:24:23AM +0000, Neil Williams wrote: On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:37:06 -0000, "tim...." wrote: Something which you don't have to do with a paper ticket. Then buy one. They are still available. Not according to the ticket office at White City they're not. Was this what they actually said to you? " We don't sell paper tickets ". Although given how unclearly he spoke, it might have been "I can't smell pepper tarts", in which case he is to be applauded for his adherence to the Da-da-ist cause! Anyone who doesn't speak clearly should be fired from public-facing jobs immediately. Discuss. -- David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Us Germans take our humour very seriously -- German cultural attache talking to the Today Programme, about the German supposed lack of a sense of humour, 29 Aug 2001 |
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TfL Fares Increase - January 2nd 2012
On Jan 2, 1:42*am, Paul Corfield wrote: On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:55:29 +0000, Alusuisse wrote: Just a quick check...is the PAPER ODTC still available at Tube stations Yes they are - from ticket machines and ticket offices. *National Rail stations and DLR Ticket Machines also sell them. As do Tramlink ticket machines. Can TfL's six Travel Info Centres still sell them? I'd assume they can, but maybe I'm wrong. |
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