http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16091997

Interestingly, the BBC article gives the impression that all bendy
buses are being replaced by the Borismaster.

"...But Transport for All, which speaks for older and disabled
transport users, said TfL was "nuts" to scrap the vehicles, especially
as their new Routemaster-style replacements had only "a tiny
wheelchair space..."

The fact that none of the bendy bus routes are being replaced by the
Borismaster seems to have escaped the BBC. But then we all know that
the BBC are always accurate in their reporting, don't we?

The article goes on to mention the conflict between wheelchair users
and buggy users who will not fold a buggy and/or move to make space
for a wheelchair user. This is a problem whatever type of bus you
use, and there is no easy answer.

The article goes on to mention the conflict between wheelchair users
and buggy users who will not fold a buggy

Are there still buggies which fold? The ones I have to try to get past
on buses seem to be as foldable as a Landrover - and build to handle the
same range of terrains.
--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

On Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:36:03 -0800 (PST)
Paul wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16091997

Interestingly, the BBC article gives the impression that all bendy
buses are being replaced by the Borismaster.

"...But Transport for All, which speaks for older and disabled
transport users, said TfL was "nuts" to scrap the vehicles, especially
as their new Routemaster-style replacements had only "a tiny

TfL didn't have a choice in the matter, they do what Berty "Boris" Wooster
tells them. Dumping these buses is one of the worst examples of political
dogma over common sense I've seen in recent years. As for Boris's fatuous
reason of fare dodging - isn't he putting conductors in his new buses for
exactly the same reason? Why couldn't he have put them in the bendy buses?

B2003

"Robin" wrote:
The article goes on to mention the conflict between wheelchair users
and buggy users who will not fold a buggy

Are there still buggies which fold? The ones I have to try to get past on
buses seem to be as foldable as a Landrover - and build to handle the same
range of terrains.

Yes, they're still around - they're great, kick the child out of the buggy,
kick the buggy and voila, you're good to go. What needs to happen is for
them to become all the rage - perhaps it could begin as a kind of
retro-trend.

On 09/12/2011 11:36, Paul wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16091997

Interestingly, the BBC article gives the impression that all bendy
buses are being replaced by the Borismaster.

"...But Transport for All, which speaks for older and disabled
transport users, said TfL was "nuts" to scrap the vehicles, especially
as their new Routemaster-style replacements had only "a tiny
wheelchair space..."

The fact that none of the bendy bus routes are being replaced by the
Borismaster seems to have escaped the BBC. But then we all know that
the BBC are always accurate in their reporting, don't we?

Is "Transport for All" part of the BBC? Or are you saying the BBC is
wrong in claiming that TfA said it?


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In message
s.com of Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:36:03 in uk.transport.london, Paul
writes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16091997


[snip]

The article goes on to mention the conflict between wheelchair users
and buggy users who will not fold a buggy and/or move to make space
for a wheelchair user. This is a problem whatever type of bus you
use, and there is no easy answer.


I suggest that drivers should be required, as now, to ask passengers
with unfolded buggies to fold them. The change I would make is that
drivers should be instructed on a refusal/inability, to issue a transfer
ticket for a following service. The problem is that many buggies are
used to carry a week's shopping as well as a child.

I would have the "Conditions of Carriage" take a tougher line with non-
priority wheelchair space users.

"13.2.3. Wheelchair users have priority over everyone else for use of
the wheelchair space, since this is the only place in which they can
travel safely. If someone in a wheelchair wishes to board, and the
wheelchair space is occupied by standing passengers or buggies, standing
passengers will be asked by the driver to make room if possible, and
buggy users will be asked to fold them and put them in the luggage space
or keep them by their side.

13.2.4. If you use a wheelchair or buggy, you should be able to board
any low-floor bus unless (in the driver's opinion) it is so crowded that
there is no room for you to travel safely. You will only be refused
entry when it is absolutely necessary, but no-one already travelling
will be asked to get off the bus."

On a practical matter, there seems to be a lack of a design standard for
bus wheelchair spaces. Some are good, but many have poles which cause
difficulty while manoeuvring in and out.
--
Walter Briscoe

In article ,
(Walter Briscoe) wrote:

In message
of
Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:36:03 in uk.transport.london, Paul
writes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16091997

[snip]

The article goes on to mention the conflict between wheelchair users
and buggy users who will not fold a buggy and/or move to make space
for a wheelchair user. This is a problem whatever type of bus you
use, and there is no easy answer.

I suggest that drivers should be required, as now, to ask passengers
with unfolded buggies to fold them. The change I would make is that
drivers should be instructed on a refusal/inability, to issue a transfer
ticket for a following service. The problem is that many buggies are
used to carry a week's shopping as well as a child.

I would have the "Conditions of Carriage" take a tougher line with non-
priority wheelchair space users.

"13.2.3. Wheelchair users have priority over everyone else for use of
the wheelchair space, since this is the only place in which they can
travel safely. If someone in a wheelchair wishes to board, and the
wheelchair space is occupied by standing passengers or buggies, standing
passengers will be asked by the driver to make room if possible, and
buggy users will be asked to fold them and put them in the luggage space
or keep them by their side.

13.2.4. If you use a wheelchair or buggy, you should be able to board
any low-floor bus unless (in the driver's opinion) it is so crowded that
there is no room for you to travel safely. You will only be refused
entry when it is absolutely necessary, but no-one already travelling
will be asked to get off the bus."

On a practical matter, there seems to be a lack of a design standard for
bus wheelchair spaces. Some are good, but many have poles which cause
difficulty while manoeuvring in and out.

Have you ever tried to take a child on a bus on your own, especially one too
young to walk? If you had you won't make such a daft suggestion.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 2011-12-10, wrote:
In article ,
(Walter Briscoe) wrote:

In message
of
Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:36:03 in uk.transport.london, Paul
writes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16091997

[snip]

The article goes on to mention the conflict between wheelchair users
and buggy users who will not fold a buggy and/or move to make space
for a wheelchair user. This is a problem whatever type of bus you
use, and there is no easy answer.

I suggest that drivers should be required, as now, to ask passengers
with unfolded buggies to fold them. The change I would make is that
drivers should be instructed on a refusal/inability, to issue a transfer
ticket for a following service. The problem is that many buggies are
used to carry a week's shopping as well as a child.

....

Have you ever tried to take a child on a bus on your own, especially one too
young to walk? If you had you won't make such a daft suggestion.

Everybody did, all the time, buses with suitable space are a relatively
recent invention. Trains too, in many places.

No, it's not a daft suggestion.

Eric

--
ms fnd in a lbry

On Dec 10, 10:06*am, wrote:
In article ,





(Walter Briscoe) wrote:
In message
of
Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:36:03 in uk.transport.london, Paul
writes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16091997

[snip]

The article goes on to mention the conflict between wheelchair users
and buggy users who will not fold a buggy and/or move to make space
for a wheelchair user. *This is a problem whatever type of bus you
use, and there is no easy answer.

I suggest that drivers should be required, as now, to ask passengers
with unfolded buggies to fold them. The change I would make is that
drivers should be instructed on a refusal/inability, to issue a transfer
ticket for a following service. The problem is that many buggies are
used to carry a week's shopping as well as a child.

I would have the "Conditions of Carriage" take a tougher line with non-
priority wheelchair space users.

"13.2.3. Wheelchair users have priority over everyone else for use of
the wheelchair space, since this is the only place in which they can
travel safely. If someone in a wheelchair wishes to board, and the
wheelchair space is occupied by standing passengers or buggies, standing
passengers will be asked by the driver to make room if possible, and
buggy users will be asked to fold them and put them in the luggage space
or keep them by their side.

13.2.4. *If you use a wheelchair or buggy, you should be able to board
any low-floor bus unless (in the driver's opinion) it is so crowded that
there is no room for you to travel safely. You will only be refused
entry when it is absolutely necessary, but no-one already travelling
will be asked to get off the bus."

On a practical matter, there seems to be a lack of a design standard for
bus wheelchair spaces. Some are good, but many have poles which cause
difficulty while manoeuvring in and out.

Have you ever tried to take a child on a bus on your own, especially one too
young to walk? If you had you won't make such a daft suggestion.

--
Colin Rosenstiel- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yes I have on many occasions, children are not exactly a new invention
are they?

On Dec 9, 11:53*am, wrote:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:36:03 -0800 (PST)

Paul wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16091997

Interestingly, the BBC article gives the impression that all bendy
buses are being replaced by the Borismaster.

"...But Transport for All, which speaks for older and disabled
transport users, said TfL was "nuts" to scrap the vehicles, especially
as their new Routemaster-style replacements had only "a tiny

TfL didn't have a choice in the matter, they do what Berty "Boris" Wooster
tells them. Dumping these buses is one of the worst examples of political
dogma over common sense I've seen in recent years. As for Boris's fatuous
reason of fare dodging - isn't he putting conductors in his new buses for
exactly the same reason? Why couldn't he have put them in the bendy buses?

B2003

Getting these unsuitable buses in the first place was the worst
example of political dogma over common sense that I've ever seen.

I mean FOUR bendy bus routes converging on Victoria, wasn't going to
cause problems was it??

The fare dodging issue is anything but fatuous!