At the bottom of the Piccadilly Line escalators at Holborn, you turn
right to reach the platforms. As you enter the tunnel at the bottom of
the escalator, there is a large, heavy-looking, apparently steel door
set into the wall on the left-hand side of the foot tunnel.

Other than having been painted open, it looks like it is in working
order (it even has a small handle).

What was the purpose of this door, and is it still available for that
use today?

What was the purpose of this door, and is it still available for that
use today?

It leads to the Aldwych Platforms. They used to be just normal underground
shutter doors.
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At the bottom of the Piccadilly Line escalators at Holborn, you turn
right to reach the platforms. As you enter the tunnel at the bottom of
the escalator, there is a large, heavy-looking, apparently steel door
set into the wall on the left-hand side of the foot tunnel.

Other than having been painted open, it looks like it is in working
order (it even has a small handle).

What was the purpose of this door, and is it still available for that
use today?

Flood-door dating from WW2. These were fitted at various stations
where a bomb breaching adjacent water mains might endager the running
tunnels, or where one line flooded due to a bomb breaching a tunnel
under the Thames could flood into another line. These are still
visible at a lot of stations, such as at the foot of both escalators
linking the Northern Line with the National Rail (formerly Northern
City Line) platforms at Moorgate. They could also be seen in the
end-of-platform tunnels between the Piccadilly and Northern Lines at
Leicester Square, but they were faced and tiled over during
refurbishment work late last year, although the it's still fairly
obvious where they are. If you look at the northern ends of both
Northern & both Bakerloo platforms tunnels at Waterloo, you can also
see the remains of the track-side flood-doors that would have been
closed had any of the under-Thames tunnels been breached.

It's important to appreciate that these were not, "blast-doors," as
they are sometimes erroneously called. A case in point is what
happened when Bank station took a direct hit in January 1941. The
initial Civil Defence report noted:

"At the foot of the escalator to the Central London railway there are
two steel doors for the prevention of floods giving access to each
side of the tube platforms. These doors were open and the main
casualties were those sheltering at the foot of the escalator, who
were blown through the doors against the wall of the tube opposite.
Had these doors been shut, the technical officer of the Transport
Board advises that the blast might have blown in the sides of the tube
tunnels."

I've been doing a lot of new research lately for my site on the
Underground during WW2, and an update should be online soon. The
existing page is at:

http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm

In message , Nick
Cooper 625 writes

Flood-door dating from WW2. These were fitted at various stations
where a bomb breaching adjacent water mains might endager the running
tunnels, or where one line flooded due to a bomb breaching a tunnel
under the Thames could flood into another line. These are still
visible at a lot of stations, such as at the foot of both escalators
linking the Northern Line with the National Rail (formerly Northern
City Line) platforms at Moorgate. They could also be seen in the
end-of-platform tunnels between the Piccadilly and Northern Lines at
Leicester Square, but they were faced and tiled over during
refurbishment work late last year, although the it's still fairly
obvious where they are. If you look at the northern ends of both
Northern & both Bakerloo platforms tunnels at Waterloo, you can also
see the remains of the track-side flood-doors that would have been
closed had any of the under-Thames tunnels been breached.

At Bethnal Green too; I've taken pictures of the winding mechanism.
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In message , Nick
Cooper 625 writes

Flood-door dating from WW2. These were fitted at various stations
where a bomb breaching adjacent water mains might endager the running
tunnels, or where one line flooded due to a bomb breaching a tunnel
under the Thames could flood into another line. These are still
visible at a lot of stations, such as at the foot of both escalators
linking the Northern Line with the National Rail (formerly Northern
City Line) platforms at Moorgate. They could also be seen in the
end-of-platform tunnels between the Piccadilly and Northern Lines at
Leicester Square, but they were faced and tiled over during
refurbishment work late last year, although the it's still fairly
obvious where they are. If you look at the northern ends of both
Northern & both Bakerloo platforms tunnels at Waterloo, you can also
see the remains of the track-side flood-doors that would have been
closed had any of the under-Thames tunnels been breached.

At Bethnal Green too;

Everytime I got through any particular station and spot them, I mean
to include the detail in the web-page, but I usually promptly forget
afterwards, because methodically noting facts doesn't multi-task wekk
with "Commute Mode"!

I've taken pictures of the winding mechanism.

Are they on line anywhere, or if not, I know a very good web-site that
might be able to use them... insert fluttering eyelashes emoticon
that probably doesn't even exist

I'm currently wading through the wartime daily bombing reports for
"key points," sifting out all the LU-related railway incidents, which
is producing a mass of data not previously widely known, such as hits
and unexploded bombs at various depots. Also almost finished
identifying by name the vast majority of the wartime fatalities on LU
property, including - on an even more melancholic note - a certain
amount of myth-shattering r.e. Bounds Green.

Nick Cooper 625 wrote:

I'm currently wading through the wartime daily bombing reports for
"key points,"

Where are these available? Are they online?

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"Richard J." wrote in message ...
Nick Cooper 625 wrote:

I'm currently wading through the wartime daily bombing reports for
"key points,"

Where are these available? Are they online?

No, they're at the National Archives in 43 volumes of good old fashioned paper.

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Cooper 625 writes
Kat wrote in message
...
[...]
At Bethnal Green too;

Everytime I got through any particular station and spot them, I mean
to include the detail in the web-page, but I usually promptly forget
afterwards, because methodically noting facts doesn't multi-task wekk
with "Commute Mode"!

I've taken pictures of the winding mechanism.

Are they on line anywhere, or if not, I know a very good web-site that
might be able to use them...

You're welcome to them.
I was hoping to get down there today and get some better ones but the
best laid plans etc.

I'm currently wading through the wartime daily bombing reports for
"key points," sifting out all the LU-related railway incidents, which
is producing a mass of data not previously widely known, such as hits
and unexploded bombs at various depots. Also almost finished
identifying by name the vast majority of the wartime fatalities on LU
property, including - on an even more melancholic note - a certain
amount of myth-shattering r.e. Bounds Green.

Have you heard/read anything about WW2 bomb damage at Mile End?
It was recently mentioned to me by someone who thought there was a link
on the BTP website but I can't find anything.
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Kat wrote:

Have you heard/read anything about WW2 bomb damage at Mile End?
It was recently mentioned to me by someone who thought there was a
link on the BTP website but I can't find anything.

Go to
http://www.btp.police.uk/History%20S...20-%201949.htm

and look at 24 September 1940: "During a night of heavy enemy bombing, Mile
End Underground Station receives a direct hit." No link to any more
details though.

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Richard J.
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Kat wrote in message ...
In message , Nick
Cooper 625 writes
Kat wrote in message
...
[...]
At Bethnal Green too;

Everytime I got through any particular station and spot them, I mean
to include the detail in the web-page, but I usually promptly forget
afterwards, because methodically noting facts doesn't multi-task wekk
with "Commute Mode"!

I've taken pictures of the winding mechanism.

Are they on line anywhere, or if not, I know a very good web-site that
might be able to use them...

You're welcome to them.
I was hoping to get down there today and get some better ones but the
best laid plans etc.

Well, if you could e-mail me them, that would be great.

I'm currently wading through the wartime daily bombing reports for
"key points," sifting out all the LU-related railway incidents, which
is producing a mass of data not previously widely known, such as hits
and unexploded bombs at various depots. Also almost finished
identifying by name the vast majority of the wartime fatalities on LU
property, including - on an even more melancholic note - a certain
amount of myth-shattering r.e. Bounds Green.

Have you heard/read anything about WW2 bomb damage at Mile End?
It was recently mentioned to me by someone who thought there was a link
on the BTP website but I can't find anything.

That's another new one on me. Richard notes that the incident was on
24/09/40 , but in going through the daily reports, I began with the
volume that begins with October 1940, simply because most of the
incidents I wanted to chek up on were in that month or the November.
It was only then that it became apparent just how detailed the reports
are, so I just carried on from that point, rather than back-tracking.
Should be at Kew again on Saturday, though, and will see. The reports
detail not only "new" damage, but also whether previous bomb damage is
continuing to affect services, and as 01/10/40 reports - which actualy
covers 09:00 30/09 to 09:00 01/10 - doesn't mention Mile End, we can
probably assume that that was no longer the case, even less than a
week later.

Just as an example, the report for 01/10/40 reads:

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09:00 30/09 - 09:00 01/10/40

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|H.E's |EALING COMMON Station|The bombs fell on the |
|0750 hrs |W.5. |PICCADILLY line. |
|30/9/40 | |Station closed. |
| | |Through trains running|
| | |on single line. |
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GENERAL REMARKS: RAILWAYS

L.P.T.B.

The central line service between NORTH ACTON and EALING
BROADWAY has been suspended owing to damage to HANGER LANE
bridge.

The Metropolitan Line between KINGS CROSS and MOORGATE has been
suspended.

The service between ADDISON ROAD and LATIMER ROAD has been
suspended.


Railway Situation Report at 0800 hrs., 1st October, 1940.

L.P.T.B.

Northern Line. Service normal except:
Single Line working Hampstead - Camden Town (Damage Chalk
Farm Tunnell 27/9). Expect re-open 05.10.40.
No service Woodside Park to High Barnet (UXB 21/9)
Central Line. Service suspended Wood Lane - Ealing Broadway
(Damage Hanger Lane Bridge 28/9) and N.Acton Station closed
(date resumption not known).
Piccadilly Line. Closed between RUISLIP and UXBRIDGE (damage
H.E. on 30/9).
Bakerloo Line. Normal, except that Stanmore trains are
reversed at West Hampstead (Damage Kilburn Bridge 16/9).
District Line. Ealing Common Station re-opened 30/9.
Service suspended EALING COMMON - EALING BROADWAY (Damage
Hanger Lane Bridge 28/9). (Date resumption not known).
Metropolitan. Closed between:
Kings Cross and Moorgate (Damage H.E. 10/9 and 24/9),
expect to re-open Oct. 10th, amd Latimer Road-Addison Road
(25/9) expect re-open Oct. 1st. Closed RUISLIP - UXBRIDGE
(H.E. on 30/9).


Unexploded Bombs.

L.P.T.B.

1. Woodside Park 21/9. Serviced suspended
Woodside Park - High
Barnet.
2. Farringdon Cow Cross Street 24/9. Delay in clearance of
line.
3. Neasden Depot 18 road 24/9. Preventing use of South
end of yard.
4. Surrey Docks 24/9. Delay to repairs to
previous damage.
5. (Morden Depot 27/9. No interference.

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Inevitably, there was a lot of damage to tracks in the open, which was
a lot more disruptive than actual stations being put out of action.
Even so, very few of these incidents - even the Ealing Common hit -
get mentioned elsewhere. All the above is spread over four or five
pages, as it's mixed in with all the other railways around the
country, so it's a question of filtering out the LPTB-related stuff.
I'm still decided whether to just include the raw transcriptions on my
site, or to actually track each incident and do a summary on an
event-by-event basis.