Am 29.12.2011 20:42, schrieb The Real Doctor:
On 29/12/11 12:15, Oliver Schnell wrote:
These benchmarking figures for Berlin are between 20% and 50% below those
of others German agglomerations, while punctuality and quality of service
offered elsewhere is much better.

Ah, if only the DR and DDR were still around to run it, eh? Perhaps a
business opportunity for uk.railway's resident Erich Honecker
Appreciation Society.

Well, Herr Schnell is like you: those goddam workers had a too good
life in GDR times are are not yet beaten enough into submission to the
new capitalist times.

The thing is that railway workers are workers, and not so easily
purged as all the professors at the university and journalists in the
media. People like you and Herr Schnell think that the workers would
simply bow and when they are shown the capitalist whip. It is not so
easy for you misantropists.


L.W.

On 29/12/11 21:05, Lüko Willms wrote:
The thing is that railway workers are workers, and not so easily purged
as all the professors at the university and journalists in the media.

And if there is one group who should know about purging, it's apologists
for Stalinism.[1] I bow, Comrade Willms, to your superior knowledge of
such things.

Herr Dr Ian

[1] Soviet railway workers were purged by an NKVD order of 29th July 1937

Am 29.12.2011 22:25, schrieb The Real Doctor:
On 29/12/11 21:05, Lüko Willms wrote:
The thing is that railway workers are workers, and not so easily purged
as all the professors at the university and journalists in the media.

And if there is one group who should know about purging, it's apologists
for Stalinism.[1]

Whatever; the purge in the ex-GDR was of a magnitude which exceeded
everything ever experienced under the rule of a stalinist burocrady.

I bow, Comrade Willms, to your superior knowledge of such things.

You have comrades? You make me laugh.

My knowledge is "superior" simply because I stick to the facts and
not to propaganda. That is the contradiction between us.

Herr Dr Ian

[1] Soviet railway workers were purged by an NKVD order of 29th July 1937

Were they? All of them?

Herr Schnell wants to "purge" ALL railway workers in Berlin (at least
those working for the S-Bahn), making them unemployed (which means in
today's Germany to fall quickly into 'Hartz4'). Some of them might be
re-employed, says Herr Schnell, after a new selective process of
recruitment, even for those who have decades of experience in operating
the S-Bahn network.


L.W.

Am 30.12.2011 07:09, schrieb Lüko Willms:
Herr Schnell wants to "purge" ALL railway workers in Berlin (at least
those working for the S-Bahn), making them unemployed (which means in
today's Germany to fall quickly into 'Hartz4'). Some of them might be
re-employed, says Herr Schnell, after a new selective process of
recruitment, even for those who have decades of experience in operating
the S-Bahn network.


I forgot to mention that, according to Herr Schnells plan, the
workers would be allowed to reapply for their job (at much worse
conditions) only at a completely new company which would not have the
old collective contracts with the trade union and the works council on
the books, so that the workers would be initially stripped of all their
acquisitions which they got over the past decades and which could not be
destroyed by the takeover of the GDR by the separate West state.


Cheers,
L.W.

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Am 30.12.2011 07:09, schrieb Lüko Willms:
Herr Schnell wants to "purge" ALL railway workers in Berlin (at least
those working for the S-Bahn), making them unemployed (which means in
today's Germany to fall quickly into 'Hartz4'). Some of them might be
re-employed, says Herr Schnell, after a new selective process of
recruitment, even for those who have decades of experience in operating
the S-Bahn network.


I forgot to mention that, according to Herr Schnells plan, the workers
would be allowed to reapply for their job (at much worse conditions) only
at a completely new company which would not have the old collective
contracts with the trade union and the works council on the books, so that
the workers would be initially stripped of all their acquisitions which
they got over the past decades and which could not be destroyed by the
takeover of the GDR by the separate West state.

The workers need a good lawyer who understands the German equivalent of TUPE
(Transfer of Undertakings - Protection of Employment) Regulations, and the
European Directive on which it is based. Or perhaps Herr Schnell has a
cunning plan to get Germany to withdraw from the European Union. ;-)

Peter

Peter

Am 30.12.2011 18:14, schrieb Peter Masson:
I forgot to mention that, according to Herr Schnells plan, the
workers would be allowed to reapply for their job (at much worse
conditions) only at a completely new company which would not have the
old collective contracts with the trade union and the works council on
the books, so that the workers would be initially stripped of all
their acquisitions which they got over the past decades and which
could not be destroyed by the takeover of the GDR by the separate West
state.

The workers need a good lawyer who understands the German equivalent of
TUPE (Transfer of Undertakings - Protection of Employment) Regulations,
and the European Directive on which it is based.

That is what is happening in the Thatcherized Britain, but not in
Germany.

Tendering of transit (rail, tram or bus) operations in Germany does
exclude the taking over of the operation as it is, i.e. just the
exchange of the leading personnel, the stationary and the train
liveries, but the establishment of a completely new operation with their
own "new" workers, vehicles etc.


Cheers,
L.W.

On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:55:17 +0100, Lüko
wrote:
That is what is happening in the Thatcherized Britain, but not
in
Germany.

TUPE is not Thatcherite, quite the opposite.

Is there no German equivalent?

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

Peter Masson schrieb:


The workers need a good lawyer who understands the German equivalent of TUPE
(Transfer of Undertakings - Protection of Employment) Regulations, and the
European Directive on which it is based.


Please name the "German equivalent of TUPE".


Practically, DB will not fire anybody, if they loose parts of the S-Bahn,
or all of it. People will get redistributed within the company, former
S-Bahn drivers might run RE or RB. Those, who want to rehire at a
different company now running the S-Bahn, will do so.

Due to a quick recovery from the crisis, almost all TOCs in Germany are
short on drivers, so the situation for drivers is quite good.


Hans-Joachim




--

Frieda Uffelmann * 15. August 1915 â€* 9. Dezember 2011

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Am 30.12.2011 19:42, schrieb Hans-Joachim Zierke:
Please name the "German equivalent of TUPE".

Betriebsübergang.

BGB Paragraph 613a:
http://dejure.org/gesetze/BGB/613a.html


MfG,
L.W.

On 30/12/11 06:09, Lüko Willms wrote:
My knowledge is "superior" simply because I stick to the facts and not
to propaganda.

Who says the Germans have no sense of humour?

Ian