d schrieb:


People are not dumb cattle and will not just sit on a train with no
information forever if they can get out and continue their journey on foot.
This has happened in the UK a number of times and train operators need to take
human behaviour into account when failures happen. Just expecting people to
sit and wait for an indeterminate period of time and do nothing is moronic.


I think that this here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRhNAql6foA
qualifies for "moronic".

Therefore, if the passengers leave the train, interruption of traffic is
the only option available.



Hans-Joachim



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Frieda Uffelmann * 15. August 1915 â€* 9. Dezember 2011

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On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 00:22:20 +0000 (UTC)
Hans-Joachim Zierke wrote:
schrieb:


People are not dumb cattle and will not just sit on a train with no
information forever if they can get out and continue their journey on foot.
This has happened in the UK a number of times and train operators need to
take
human behaviour into account when failures happen. Just expecting people to
sit and wait for an indeterminate period of time and do nothing is moronic.


I think that this here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRhNAql6foA
qualifies for "moronic".

If you listen at 0:29 it says a message from the conductor asked them to leave
the train and the doors were opened onto the track, not the platform. So it
wasn't the passengers fault. Unless my french language isn't as good as I
thought.

B2003

Am 30.12.2011 23:40, schrieb d:

answering Herr Zierke:

I think that this here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRhNAql6foA
qualifies for "moronic".
If you listen at 0:29 it says a message from the conductor asked them to leave
the train and the doors were opened onto the track, not the platform. So it
wasn't the passengers fault. Unless my french language isn't as good as I
thought.

I can confirm that your understanding is good enough.

I understood the first report about the Berlin S-Bahn failure also as
saying that the S-Bahn officials asked the passengers to leave the
trains and walk to the next station.


Cheers,
L.W.

d schrieb:


If you listen at 0:29 it says a message from the conductor asked them to leave
the train and the doors were opened onto the track, not the platform. So it
wasn't the passengers fault.

That's one version. The other and more plausible version, which was
reported back then, went like this: Passengers were asked to walk to the
nearby platform, and doors released on the other side.

Adventurous youth then opened the trackside doors by emergency handle,
and cattle followed the leaders.

I don't know which version is true. I think that there will be a report
by the safety authorities, but I don't speak French.



Anyway: As soon as you ask passengers to leave the train, you have to
expect scenes like this, because even a well-staffed train never has
enough crew for crowd control.

Therefore, it's always "shutdown of traffic" as soon as there are
passengers on the tracks.



Hans-Joachim




--

Frieda Uffelmann * 15. August 1915 â€* 9. Dezember 2011

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On 31 Dec 2011 07:59:08 GMT
Hans-Joachim Zierke wrote:
Adventurous youth then opened the trackside doors by emergency handle,
and cattle followed the leaders.

Cattle are quite happy to sit for hours. People are not. If a railway company
does not want people wandering around on its tracks then it needs to sort out
its evacuation procedures for when there is a system breakdown. Just leaving
people sitting on a train for hours with no information is not an option as
the passengers will simply leave and its no good the train companies whining
about it because it's their fault.

B2003