From the Evening Standard:

Boris bid to run every rail service in London


Boris Johnson today made a bid to take over every rail service in
London in a move described as the biggest shake-up since
privatisation.

The Mayor wants to control all suburban railways and introduce a
one-ticket system across Greater London.

In his most dramatic campaign pledge so far in his fight to be
re-elected, Mr Johnson said the "devolution of power" to City Hall
would lead to lower fares. The plan would put him in charge of key
commuter routes from outlying areas.

The move comes as Mr Johnson trails Labour rival Ken Livingstone by
two points in polls. Mr Livingstone today said he had tried to
implement a similar plan when Mayor and demanded to know why it had
taken Mr Johnson four years to suggest it.

END QUOTE

(There's an election looming, Ken!)

For the rest of the article, go to:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-mayor/article-24033482-boris-bid-to-run-londons-railways.do

On 06/02/2012 14:50, Bruce wrote:
From the Evening Standard:

Boris bid to run every rail service in London


Boris Johnson today made a bid to take over every rail service in
London in a move described as the biggest shake-up since
privatisation.

The Mayor wants to control all suburban railways and introduce a
one-ticket system across Greater London.

Haven't we got one? Or would this be about squishing those nasty
point-to-point rail seasons in favour of multi-modal travelcards... at
twice the price. Or even breaking through ticketing to the world beyond
the M25.

In his most dramatic campaign pledge so far in his fight to be
re-elected, Mr Johnson said the "devolution of power" to City Hall
would lead to lower fares. The plan would put him in charge of key
commuter routes from outlying areas.

As in Worcester, King's Lynn, Dover, Exeter - or just more TOCs per
terminus?



--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Feb 6, 7:10*pm, Arthur Figgis wrote:

On 06/02/2012 14:50, Bruce wrote:

*From the Evening Standard:

Boris bid to run every rail service in London

Boris Johnson today made a bid to take over every rail service in
London in a move described as the biggest shake-up since
privatisation.

The Mayor wants to control all suburban railways and introduce a
one-ticket system across Greater London.

Haven't we got one? Or would this be about squishing those nasty
point-to-point rail seasons in favour of multi-modal travelcards... at
twice the price. Or even breaking through ticketing to the world beyond
the M25.

We've got three different Oyster PAYG fare scales for single journeys
- one for TfL rail services (Tube, DLR, London Overground plus a few
NR routes as well), one for NR, and one for 'through journeys' that
involve both TfL and NR rated services. This understandably causes
some confusion - a single unified tariff would be preferable.

The 'three tariff' situation is mirrored with paper ticket fares for
single journeys (and indeed return journeys - though off-peak, a Day
Travelcard is likely to be cheaper) - one fare scale for TfL/Tube, one
for NR, one for TfL-NR through journeys.

Haven't ever come across any suggestion that point-to-point rail
seasons would be squished, either under the proposals floated back
when Livingstone was Mayor, nor under any of these latest proposals.

On 06/02/2012 20:06, Mizter T wrote:

On Feb 6, 7:10 pm, Arthur wrote:

On 06/02/2012 14:50, Bruce wrote:

From the Evening Standard:

Boris bid to run every rail service in London

Boris Johnson today made a bid to take over every rail service in
London in a move described as the biggest shake-up since
privatisation.

The Mayor wants to control all suburban railways and introduce a
one-ticket system across Greater London.

Haven't we got one? Or would this be about squishing those nasty
point-to-point rail seasons in favour of multi-modal travelcards... at
twice the price. Or even breaking through ticketing to the world beyond
the M25.

We've got three different Oyster PAYG fare scales for single journeys
- one for TfL rail services (Tube, DLR, London Overground plus a few
NR routes as well), one for NR, and one for 'through journeys' that
involve both TfL and NR rated services. This understandably causes
some confusion - a single unified tariff would be preferable.

With Oyster, how many people actually know? I'm hearing more and more
people saying they basically trust they system to get it right, or at
least even out over time.

I must admit I didn't know Overground was different to the rest of NR.
How would know whether you get Overground or Southern for the trips
where both are possible?

The 'three tariff' situation is mirrored with paper ticket fares for
single journeys (and indeed return journeys - though off-peak, a Day
Travelcard is likely to be cheaper) - one fare scale for TfL/Tube, one
for NR, one for TfL-NR through journeys.

Haven't ever come across any suggestion that point-to-point rail
seasons would be squished, either under the proposals floated back
when Livingstone was Mayor, nor under any of these latest proposals.

Equally, has anyone denied it...

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Feb 7, 8:55*am, Arthur Figgis wrote:

I must admit I didn't know Overground was different to the rest of NR.
How would know whether you get Overground or Southern for the trips
where both are possible?

One set of fares apply. The same as Euston-Watford Junction assumes
you *didn't* use LO, because LM is a more attractive service for that
journey.

Neil

"Neil Williams" wrote:

On Feb 7, 8:55 am, Arthur Figgis wrote:

I must admit I didn't know Overground was different to the rest of NR.
How would know whether you get Overground or Southern for the trips
where both are possible?

One set of fares apply. The same as Euston-Watford Junction assumes
you *didn't* use LO, because LM is a more attractive service for that
journey.

That's not a great example, in that it doesn't really make sense - there's
only one Oyster PAYG fare for a Watford Jn to Euston (or v.v.) journey - my
understanding is that it's essentially set by London Midland, as it's
'their' flow (bear in mind WJ is outside the zonal system - 'zone W' for WJ
is a term that's only used internally).

On Feb 6, 3:50*pm, Bruce wrote:

The Mayor wants to control all suburban railways and introduce a
one-ticket system across Greater London.

A true Verbundtarif, like that in, say, Hamburg? Including
connections onto buses? Yes, please. London has been crying out for
that for years.

Neil

On Feb 6, 3:15*pm, Neil Williams wrote:

A true Verbundtarif, like that in, say, Hamburg? *Including
connections onto buses? *Yes, please. *London has been crying out for
that for years.

Neil

If good for London, why not every other major city in the UK?

If good for London, why not every other major city in the UK?

Surely, we already have such tickets.

In London, they have the Railcard and that even covers the Croydon
Tramlink.

In Birmingham, they have something similar so do all the other PTEs.

What’s being proposed here that’s any different?

On Feb 6, 5:10*pm, allantracy wrote:
If good for London, why not every other major city in the UK?

Surely, we already have such tickets.

In London, they have the Railcard and that even covers the Croydon
Tramlink.

In Birmingham, they have something similar so do all the other PTEs.

What’s being proposed here that’s any different?

Single tickets as well, presumably.

It is absolutely nonsensical that you are penalised for a journey that
requires two buses, and you are penalised for changing from Tube/train
to bus.

There should be one zonal fares system for the entire network for
single fares, completely irrespective of what mode(s) of transport is/
are used. The one exception is that I'd allow for a "bus only"
variant to avoid Tube crowding in central London - but even then
changes should not be penalised.

So if a Zone 1 to Zone 3 fare is, say, £4, it should be £4 whether
it's a direct Tube, or a bus, a Tube and another bus, or whatever.

Neil