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k... Blackfriars underground station has re-opened a week early. Or depending on point of view only 10 weeks late, which is a slight advance on the planned 11 weeks late announced in December! All the same, photos I've seen online, and plans I downloaded a while ago, suggest a massive amount of building work to form the new underground structures (and back of house facilities) either side of the platforms has been undertaken. AIUI the decision to defer opening was very last minute, so does anyone know the root cause? Paul S |
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Mon, 20 Feb 2012, Paul Scott remarked: Blackfriars underground station has re-opened a week early. Or depending on point of view only 10 weeks late, which is a slight advance on the planned 11 weeks late announced in December! All the same, photos I've seen online, and plans I downloaded a while ago, suggest a massive amount of building work to form the new underground structures (and back of house facilities) either side of the platforms has been undertaken. AIUI the decision to defer opening was very last minute, so does anyone know the root cause? A train I was on went through three weeks ago, and it looked finished at platform level. Lots blokes in hi-vis wandering around inspecting it. When did they remove the temporary "tunnel" erected to protect the through trains? -- Roland Perry |
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... A train I was on went through three weeks ago, and it looked finished at platform level. Lots blokes in hi-vis wandering around inspecting it. When did they remove the temporary "tunnel" erected to protect the through trains? The protection shield was removed about 9 months ago, IIRC. I see the BBC have attempted to describe the reopened tube station he http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17090565 They have used an artists impression of the south bank rail station entrance, and then wrongly described the tube station as having a new south bank entrance. (As of 1230 today, so I'll send them a critique...) Paul S |
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Mon, 20 Feb 2012, Paul Scott remarked: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17090565 They have used an artists impression of the south bank rail station entrance, and then wrongly described the tube station as having a new south bank entrance. Worse than that, don't you lose one Oyster "credit" if you use the Blackfriars Thameslink Station as a footbridge to the tube, or am I confused again? -- Roland Perry |
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... In message , at 12:38:15 on Mon, 20 Feb 2012, Paul Scott remarked: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17090565 They have used an artists impression of the south bank rail station entrance, and then wrongly described the tube station as having a new south bank entrance. Worse than that, don't you lose one Oyster "credit" if you use the Blackfriars Thameslink Station as a footbridge to the tube, or am I confused again? I think last time we collectively worked out that if you used the Thameslink station as a simple footbridge across the river you'd pay some sort of fare unless you were unfeasibly quick to get in and then out again, (less than 2 mins IIRC), but if you continued onto the tube you'd be charged normally as the north side NR and LU gatelines would function just like any other OSI between modes. Paul S |
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... This is beginning to sound awfully like the mess that was created at Southwark LU / Waterloo East when South Eastern stuck a new gateline in. There is a special Oyster charge levied to allow people to walk through Southwark to reach the street. The reverse situation applies here with the exit route via FCC's station although I guess you can argue that people should walk across the road bridge and enter at the right ticket hall rather than use FCC's platforms as a walking route. Is the Southwark situation really a 'special charge' though, or is it the same as what you'd be charged if you entered and left any station in the 2 - 30 min bracket? This is what we discussed regarding Blackfriars after FCC mentioned on their website that using their station as a thoroughfare would incur a 'penalty'. We came to the conclusion that it was no different to any other station - just that people aren't in the habit of walking straight through in most places. But apparently there are posters at Canary Wharf advising of a 'pass through' charge? Paul S |
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... A train I was on went through three weeks ago, and it looked finished at platform level. Lots blokes in hi-vis wandering around inspecting it. When did they remove the temporary "tunnel" erected to protect the through trains? Interesting timelapse video has appeared on NR's site. The temporary tunnel makes an appearance at one stage, but there's a heck of a lot of concrete gone in since then... http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/6264.aspx Paul |
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On Feb 20, 1:30*pm, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 12:38:15 on Mon, 20 Feb 2012, Paul Scott remarked: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17090565 They have used an artists impression of the south bank rail station entrance, and then wrongly described the tube station as having a new south bank entrance. Worse than that, don't you lose one Oyster "credit" if you use the Blackfriars Thameslink Station as a footbridge to the tube, or am I confused again? You are, I'm afraid - when using Oyster PAYG, if you finish a Tube journey at Blackfriars LU station, then if you wish you get 'free passage' though Blackfriars NR/ Thameslink station i.e. across the bridge over the river to the South Bank exit. Likewise if you enter Blackfriars NR/ Thameslink station at the South Bank entrance, walk across on the bridge and exit, then enter the LU station you won't get charged anything extra for traversing through the NR/ Thameslink station. I tested the first scenario this evening just gone (i.e. Monday) using a 'virgin' Oyster card - it was loaded with GBP2, enough for a zone 1 Tube journey - I started at a zone 1 Tube station, got off at Blackfriars LU and exited via the LU gates, then entered the NR gates, walked across the bridge and exited again at the new South Bank exit - the walk through the NR/ Thameslink station cost nowt extra. (For those who don't know, on the north side of the river, there are seperate gatelines for the LU and NR stations.) I have to say that, coming out of the LU gates I'm not sure there'll be that much of an draw to walking along the platform through the NR/ Thameslink station rather than just walking across Blackfriars Bridge - that is when the pavement on the eastern side reopens (it's closed to facilitate station rebuilding works) - unless of course it's precipitating felines and canines. When coming from the South Bank then I guess the new entrance might draw more people in, particularly if it features an LU roundel and signage - I didn't look for one today (but if it's planned then I doubt it's there yet). |
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On Feb 20, 2:55*pm, Paul Corfield wrote: [Blackfriars LU and NR] This is beginning to sound awfully like the mess that was created at Southwark LU / Waterloo East when South Eastern stuck a new gateline in. *There is a special Oyster charge levied to allow people to walk through Southwark to reach the street. *The reverse situation applies here with the exit route via FCC's station although I guess you can argue that people should walk across the road bridge and enter at the right ticket hall rather than use FCC's platforms as a walking route. Sorry Paul but that isn't quite right w.r.t. the situation at Southwark. When using Oyster PAYG, you now automatically get free passage through Southwark Tube station - i.e. from the Waterloo East entrance to the main Southwark Tube station entrance (on the corner of The Cut and Blackfriars Rd) or vice versa. This applies quite independently of any Oyster PAYG journey on NR you may have just made - i.e. if getting off a Southeastern train at Waterloo East - or any Oyster PAYG journey on NR you might be about to make - i.e. if about to get on a Southeastern train at Waterloo East. Indeed, you needn't make any Oyster PAYG journey on NR to or from Waterloo East whatsoever to benefit from this - i.e. if you have a paper ticket for a journey to/from Waterloo East, you can use your Oyster card to get from Waterloo East to the main Southwark Tube entrance or vice versa. You can also do this with an Oyster card with zero (GBP0.00) credit on it. And yes, I have tested it on a number of occasions... In other words, there's no OSI required as part of the mix to use an Oyster card to walk through Southwark Tube station. At Blackfriars however, it's different as one either needs to have just made a Tube journey, or needs to be about to make one, in order to be able to walk through the Thameslink station and across the bridge for free. |
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On Feb 20, 4:54*pm, Paul Corfield wrote: On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:59:23 -0000, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Paul Corfield" wrote: This is beginning to sound awfully like the mess that was created at Southwark LU / Waterloo East when South Eastern stuck a new gateline in. *There is a special Oyster charge levied to allow people to walk through Southwark to reach the street. *The reverse situation applies here with the exit route via FCC's station although I guess you can argue that people should walk across the road bridge and enter at the right ticket hall rather than use FCC's platforms as a walking route. Is the Southwark situation really a 'special charge' though, or is it the same as what you'd be charged if you entered and left any station in the 2 - 30 min bracket? There is a special charge - I only realised there was when I saw an official document. It's a platform ticket charged at 20p rather than £1. I don't know what the NR rate is for a platform ticket these days. The 20p charge is for a printed/paper platform ticket (accessible on Tube ticket machines via the 'Extensions & other tickets' option or something like that). As I describe in my other post there's no charge whatsoever when using Oyster for walking through Southwark Tube station from one entrance to the other (I haven't tried entering and then exiting via the same gateline at Southwark so it's possible that ain't free). This is what we discussed regarding Blackfriars after FCC mentioned on their website that using their station as a thoroughfare would incur a 'penalty'. *We came to the conclusion that it was no different to any other station - just that people aren't in the habit of walking straight through in most places. *But apparently there are posters at Canary Wharf advising of a 'pass through' charge? No it is different to the "change your mind / there is no train service" rule when using Oyster PAYG to exit having previously entered at the same station. I'm not aware of any issue at Canary Wharf but I'm due there on Friday afternoon so I shall keep my eyes open. At Canary Wharf there were (not sure if they're still there) posters which used the phrase "platform ticket" to describe the charge that a punter would be levied on their Oyster card for entering at one gateline and exiting at another - one can well imagine people doing this between the main gateline at the western end and the eastern Upper Bank Street gateline, what with all the direct subterranean links to adjacent offices and the shopping malls that lead off from the Tube station complex. (I imagine the phrase "platform ticket" was used simply because it conveyed the meaning well, rather than being a super accurate technical description.) |
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On Feb 20, 10:48*am, "Paul Scott" wrote: "David Cantrell" wrote: Blackfriars underground station has re-opened a week early. Or depending on point of view only 10 weeks late, which is a slight advance on the planned 11 weeks late announced in December! All the same, photos I've seen online, and plans I downloaded a while ago, suggest a massive amount of building work to form the new underground structures (and back of house facilities) either side of the platforms has been undertaken. * AIUI the decision to defer opening was very last minute, so does anyone know the root cause? Dunno, but you're right about the massive building works - the new 'ceiling' above the platforms looks like a considerable structure. All rather different from the Blackfriars LU of old. |
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On Feb 21, 1:34*am, Mizter T wrote:
On Feb 20, 10:48*am, "Paul Scott" wrote: "David Cantrell" wrote: Blackfriars underground station has re-opened a week early. Or depending on point of view only 10 weeks late, which is a slight advance on the planned 11 weeks late announced in December! All the same, photos I've seen online, and plans I downloaded a while ago, suggest a massive amount of building work to form the new underground structures (and back of house facilities) either side of the platforms has been undertaken. * AIUI the decision to defer opening was very last minute, so does anyone know the root cause? Dunno, but you're right about the massive building works - the new 'ceiling' above the platforms looks like a considerable structure. All rather different from the Blackfriars LU of old. You wouldn't know that Blackfriars has re-opened if you passed through Kings Cross station today. Coming up from the Victoria Line, there is a prominent poster saying "Blackfriars Tube Station will reopen on 26th February 2012". This therefore gives the impression that the station is still closed. Still, you can't expect London Underground to always provide accurate information to its customers. |
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On 20/02/2012 10:38, David Cantrell wrote:
Blackfriars underground station has re-opened a week early. It's still a pretty unpleasant place to change from tube to NR, as I found out yesterday. The tube station is indeed much improved and has a new set of escalators up to ground level, replacing the old ones. But then to get to the Thameslink platforms, instead of the old staircase of half-a-dozen short flights, there is a new staircase. I suppose the only advantage is that the new one is a straight run, so you can see how long it is (equivalent to going up to the 3rd floor, I'd guess). There is a lift, but I didn't consider it as I was in a hurry to catch a train. I suppose there may be escalators planned, but I couldn't work out where they might be located. -- Clive Page |
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... On 20/02/2012 10:38, David Cantrell wrote: Blackfriars underground station has re-opened a week early. It's still a pretty unpleasant place to change from tube to NR, as I found out yesterday. The tube station is indeed much improved and has a new set of escalators up to ground level, replacing the old ones. But then to get to the Thameslink platforms, instead of the old staircase of half-a-dozen short flights, there is a new staircase. I suppose the only advantage is that the new one is a straight run, so you can see how long it is (equivalent to going up to the 3rd floor, I'd guess). There is a lift, but I didn't consider it as I was in a hurry to catch a train. I suppose there may be escalators planned, but I couldn't work out where they might be located. There are definitely escalators both sides, even if not currently visible. On the southbound side the escalators are either side of the staircase within a common structure; on the northbound side the stairs are completely separate, the escalators run parallel to the stairs but are about 10m nearer the centre of the station (ie further to the east and broadly inline with the end of the bay platforms). There are also two lifts either side of the north station, those for the northbound side (and the bays) are between the stairs and escalators, IYSWIM... To get your bearings, the tops and bottoms of all the lifts and stairs are broadly in line with one another if you imagined lines joining them right across the concourse and platforms at 90 degrees to the line of the bridge... Paul S |
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On 23/02/2012 11:13, Clive Page wrote:
On 20/02/2012 10:38, David Cantrell wrote: Blackfriars underground station has re-opened a week early. It's still a pretty unpleasant place to change from tube to NR, as I found out yesterday. The tube station is indeed much improved and has a new set of escalators up to ground level, replacing the old ones. But then to get to the Thameslink platforms, instead of the old staircase of half-a-dozen short flights, there is a new staircase. I suppose the only advantage is that the new one is a straight run, so you can see how long it is (equivalent to going up to the 3rd floor, I'd guess). There is a lift, but I didn't consider it as I was in a hurry to catch a train. I suppose there may be escalators planned, but I couldn't work out where they might be located. I was just there this evening. Blackfriars NR and Blackfriars tube station are completely separate in terms of fares. This means that, if you wish to walk the length of the station from the South Bank entrance, you have to tap in. Once you get to the other side, you have to tap out again. Then you have to tap in again to enter Blackfriars tube station. These will all be charged as separate fares. There is no grace time from tapping out at Brackfriars NR to Blackfriars tube station. You would have at least thought that they would have thought of this earlier. |
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:21:08 +0000, "
wrote: On 23/02/2012 11:13, Clive Page wrote: On 20/02/2012 10:38, David Cantrell wrote: Blackfriars underground station has re-opened a week early. It's still a pretty unpleasant place to change from tube to NR, as I found out yesterday. The tube station is indeed much improved and has a new set of escalators up to ground level, replacing the old ones. But then to get to the Thameslink platforms, instead of the old staircase of half-a-dozen short flights, there is a new staircase. I suppose the only advantage is that the new one is a straight run, so you can see how long it is (equivalent to going up to the 3rd floor, I'd guess). There is a lift, but I didn't consider it as I was in a hurry to catch a train. I suppose there may be escalators planned, but I couldn't work out where they might be located. I was just there this evening. Blackfriars NR and Blackfriars tube station are completely separate in terms of fares. This means that, if you wish to walk the length of the station from the South Bank entrance, you have to tap in. Once you get to the other side, you have to tap out again. Then you have to tap in again to enter Blackfriars tube station. These will all be charged as separate fares. There is no grace time from tapping out at Brackfriars NR to Blackfriars tube station. You would have at least thought that they would have thought of this earlier. I thought OSI applied? |
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... I was just there this evening. Blackfriars NR and Blackfriars tube station are completely separate in terms of fares. This means that, if you wish to walk the length of the station from the South Bank entrance, you have to tap in. Once you get to the other side, you have to tap out again. Then you have to tap in again to enter Blackfriars tube station. These will all be charged as separate fares. There is no grace time from tapping out at Brackfriars NR to Blackfriars tube station. NO, it's a normal OSI between the gatelines. In any case, the scenario you are suggesting is contrary to FCC's published info, back in December, when the south entrance opened. Although they mentioned that a 'penalty' would apply if you simply took a walk across the river via the mainline platforms, they also explicitly stated that a continuation by tube would be charged normally. Others have been out and tested this, and proved that is indeed what happens. Paul S |
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"Paul Scott" wrote: info, back in December, when the south entrance opened. Although they mentioned that a 'penalty' would apply if you simply took a walk across the river via the mainline platforms, they also explicitly stated that a A toll bridge. How community spirited of them. Why arn't I surprised. B2003 |
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... In article , d () wrote: A toll bridge. How community spirited of them. Why arn't I surprised. Now, now! That's like calling any two entrance gated station a toll bridge. I'd have gone with toll tunnel!, but as you suggest, and as pointed out by others back in November, it works exactly the same as if you entered and left any other barriered station between 2 and 30 mins later. (IIRC someone posted those exact figures.) Paul |
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A toll bridge. How community spirited of them. Why arn't I surprised. Now, now! That's like calling any two entrance gated station a toll bridge. I'd have gone with toll tunnel!, but as you suggest, and as pointed out by others back in November, it works exactly the same as if you entered and left any other barriered station between 2 and 30 mins later. (IIRC someone posted those exact figures.) Guildford station is or was a free bridge. When I last noticed there was a machine that dispensed free platform tickets. Any recent news or other examples ? -- Mike D |
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On 23/02/2012 22:59, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:21:08 +0000, " wrote: On 23/02/2012 11:13, Clive Page wrote: On 20/02/2012 10:38, David Cantrell wrote: Blackfriars underground station has re-opened a week early. It's still a pretty unpleasant place to change from tube to NR, as I found out yesterday. The tube station is indeed much improved and has a new set of escalators up to ground level, replacing the old ones. But then to get to the Thameslink platforms, instead of the old staircase of half-a-dozen short flights, there is a new staircase. I suppose the only advantage is that the new one is a straight run, so you can see how long it is (equivalent to going up to the 3rd floor, I'd guess). There is a lift, but I didn't consider it as I was in a hurry to catch a train. I suppose there may be escalators planned, but I couldn't work out where they might be located. I was just there this evening. Blackfriars NR and Blackfriars tube station are completely separate in terms of fares. This means that, if you wish to walk the length of the station from the South Bank entrance, you have to tap in. Once you get to the other side, you have to tap out again. Then you have to tap in again to enter Blackfriars tube station. These will all be charged as separate fares. There is no grace time from tapping out at Brackfriars NR to Blackfriars tube station. You would have at least thought that they would have thought of this earlier. Earlier in the thread Mizter T confirmed there was no charge for walking through the NR station provided you continued on a LU journey. A blog article has also confirmed this situation. I can assure you that NR to LU at Blackfriars is an OSI and has been since PAYG was extended to NR. I have seen the official paperwork that says this. What happened on your exploration that means you were charged for crossing the NR station and then changing to LU? What were you charged on your Oyster card or are you just speculating? I had to go to the ticket window and ask what happened as all of a sudden the £3 that I just charged on the South Bank side onto my card, which I used to enter the station, was gone. |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:36:20 -0000 "Paul Scott" wrote: info, back in December, when the south entrance opened. Although they mentioned that a 'penalty' would apply if you simply took a walk across the river via the mainline platforms, they also explicitly stated that a A toll bridge. How community spirited of them. Why arn't I surprised. A toll bridge that's free to TfL employees. Most excellent..:-) Cheers, Steve. |
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Ok, I've had a gander, and 4 questions strike me:
(a) The south entrance is nicely covered in brickwork, and fascinatingly inside the bridge itself, visibly. But there used to be really pretty arches - http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianvisits/6716393459/ http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/ima...o117,o97,j.jpg Were these destroyed? And why were they not reconstructed, or exposed for display for the station (particularly the first)? (b) The tube station has fire exits from the platforms. Why does the fire exit on the Westbound platform go down, when the fire exit on the Eastbound platform goes up? (c) The ticket office has a balcony above it, and there's a blue tube. Its subtle, but on the mockups, there is a public spiral staircase round the blue tube. Whats it for, and what is the purpose of the balcony? http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1...friars1mp5.jpg http://www.networkrail.co.uk/assets/...65c77bfc06.jpg (d) The ticket office used to be 1 floor below ground level (connecting to the passage under the road), and now its on ground level, so how come the stairs seem to be the same length, and only about one floor long? |
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On 25/02/2012 09:36, lonelytraveller wrote:
Ok, I've had a gander, and 4 questions strike me: (a) The south entrance is nicely covered in brickwork, and fascinatingly inside the bridge itself, visibly. But there used to be really pretty arches - http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianvisits/6716393459/ http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/ima...o117,o97,j.jpg Were these destroyed? And why were they not reconstructed, or exposed for display for the station (particularly the first)? (b) The tube station has fire exits from the platforms. Why does the fire exit on the Westbound platform go down, when the fire exit on the Eastbound platform goes up? (c) The ticket office has a balcony above it, and there's a blue tube. Its subtle, but on the mockups, there is a public spiral staircase round the blue tube. Whats it for, and what is the purpose of the balcony? http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1...friars1mp5.jpg http://www.networkrail.co.uk/assets/...65c77bfc06.jpg (d) The ticket office used to be 1 floor below ground level (connecting to the passage under the road), and now its on ground level, so how come the stairs seem to be the same length, and only about one floor long? The new Blackfriars reminds me somewhat of SPI. |
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25 Feb 2012, " remarked: The new Blackfriars reminds me somewhat of SPI. ...LL ? -- Roland Perry |
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message ... Ok, I've had a gander, and 4 questions strike me: (b) The tube station has fire exits from the platforms. Why does the fire exit on the Westbound platform go down, when the fire exit on the Eastbound platform goes up? I have some downloaded planning drawings for this stuff, and the difference seems to be that the east bound side goes up to an emergency exit at the Queen Victoria street level, but the westbound side heads off underneath the rail station's basement level, with an emergency exit to the street at a similar level to the platforms, possibly at the level of the embankment - Upper Thames St maybe? (There is another short staircase further down the passageway which raises the passageway back up to approximately platform level.) Paul S |
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On Feb 25, 4:12*pm, "
wrote: On 25/02/2012 09:36, lonelytraveller wrote: Ok, I've had a gander, and 4 questions strike me: (a) The south entrance is nicely covered in brickwork, and fascinatingly inside the bridge itself, visibly. But there used to be really pretty arches - http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianvisits/6716393459/ http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/ima...d218aaa2424be0... Were these destroyed? And why were they not reconstructed, or exposed for display for the station (particularly the first)? (b) The tube station has fire exits from the platforms. Why does the fire exit on the Westbound platform go down, when the fire exit on the Eastbound platform goes up? (c) The ticket office has a balcony above it, and there's a blue tube. Its subtle, but on the mockups, there is a public spiral staircase round the blue tube. Whats it for, and what is the purpose of the balcony? http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1...friars1mp5.jpg http://www.networkrail.co.uk/assets/...64771362/30064... (d) The ticket office used to be 1 floor below ground level (connecting to the passage under the road), and now its on ground level, so how come the stairs seem to be the same length, and only about one floor long? The new Blackfriars reminds me somewhat of SPI. St. Pancras International? Why? St. Pancras International is a huge victorian trainshed faced with a massive victorian gothic hotel. |
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On Feb 25, 4:57*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: "lonelytraveller" wrote in ... Ok, I've had a gander, and 4 questions strike me: (b) The tube station has fire exits from the platforms. Why does the fire exit on the Westbound platform go down, when the fire exit on the Eastbound platform goes up? I have some downloaded planning drawings for this stuff, and the difference seems to be that the east bound side goes up to an emergency exit at the Queen Victoria street level, but the westbound side heads off underneath the rail station's basement level, with an emergency exit to the street at a similar level to the platforms, possibly at the level of the embankment - Upper Thames St maybe? *(There is another short staircase further down the passageway which raises the passageway back up to approximately platform level.) Paul S How close does that go to the Waterloo & City line? I'm thinking passive provision for an interchange... |
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, at 04:37:53 on Sun, 26 Feb 2012, lonelytraveller remarked: The new Blackfriars reminds me somewhat of SPI. St. Pancras International? Low Level (nee Thameslink) I expect. Why? St. Pancras International is a huge victorian trainshed faced with a massive victorian gothic hotel. -- Roland Perry |
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On 26/02/2012 12:37, lonelytraveller wrote:
On Feb 25, 4:12 pm, wrote: On 25/02/2012 09:36, lonelytraveller wrote: Ok, I've had a gander, and 4 questions strike me: (a) The south entrance is nicely covered in brickwork, and fascinatingly inside the bridge itself, visibly. But there used to be really pretty arches - http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianvisits/6716393459/ http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/ima...d218aaa2424be0... Were these destroyed? And why were they not reconstructed, or exposed for display for the station (particularly the first)? (b) The tube station has fire exits from the platforms. Why does the fire exit on the Westbound platform go down, when the fire exit on the Eastbound platform goes up? (c) The ticket office has a balcony above it, and there's a blue tube. Its subtle, but on the mockups, there is a public spiral staircase round the blue tube. Whats it for, and what is the purpose of the balcony? http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1...friars1mp5.jpg http://www.networkrail.co.uk/assets/...64771362/30064... (d) The ticket office used to be 1 floor below ground level (connecting to the passage under the road), and now its on ground level, so how come the stairs seem to be the same length, and only about one floor long? The new Blackfriars reminds me somewhat of SPI. St. Pancras International? Why? St. Pancras International is a huge victorian trainshed faced with a massive victorian gothic hotel. For Thameslink, I meant. |
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On 26/02/2012 12:39, lonelytraveller wrote:
On Feb 25, 4:57 pm, "Paul wrote: "lonelytraveller"nospam_lonelytraveller_nos...@ho tmail.co.uk wrote in ... Ok, I've had a gander, and 4 questions strike me: (b) The tube station has fire exits from the platforms. Why does the fire exit on the Westbound platform go down, when the fire exit on the Eastbound platform goes up? I have some downloaded planning drawings for this stuff, and the difference seems to be that the east bound side goes up to an emergency exit at the Queen Victoria street level, but the westbound side heads off underneath the rail station's basement level, with an emergency exit to the street at a similar level to the platforms, possibly at the level of the embankment - Upper Thames St maybe? (There is another short staircase further down the passageway which raises the passageway back up to approximately platform level.) Paul S How close does that go to the Waterloo& City line? I'm thinking passive provision for an interchange... I thought that they're not into that, however. |
Blackfriars has re-opened
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:10:53 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote: I'd have gone with toll tunnel!, but as you suggest, and as pointed out by others back in November, it works exactly the same as if you entered and left any other barriered station between 2 and 30 mins later. (IIRC someone posted those exact figures.) the rules for same station exit are on the TfL website. I guess it may be possible that the TOCs apply different criteria. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14870.aspx If you enter and leave at the same station then you shouldn't be charged since you clearly have not made a journey worthy of the name. The fact that you are charged just demonstrates the complete mean spiritedness of the people in charge at TfL and the TOCs. B2003 |
Blackfriars has re-opened
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... If you enter and leave at the same station then you shouldn't be charged since you clearly have not made a journey worthy of the name. The fact that you are charged just demonstrates the complete mean spiritedness of the people in charge at TfL and the TOCs. If you thought about this for more than a few seconds you'd realise the charge is made to prevent people cancelling their journey by touching in, then touching an out gate without passing through, then heading off into the sunset on a train, FOC.. Paul S |
Blackfriars has re-opened
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:42:58 -0000
"Paul Scott" wrote: wrote in message ... If you enter and leave at the same station then you shouldn't be charged since you clearly have not made a journey worthy of the name. The fact that you are charged just demonstrates the complete mean spiritedness of the people in charge at TfL and the TOCs. If you thought about this for more than a few seconds you'd realise the charge is made to prevent people cancelling their journey by touching in, then touching an out gate without passing through, then heading off into the sunset on a train, FOC.. Almost all overground stations where Oysters are valid have ticket gates so unless they're planning on jumping over or pushing through them or are travelling to aberdeen how exactly is that going to help? Also we're constantly reminded how many inspectors there are on the system. B2003 |
Blackfriars has re-opened
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... On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:42:58 -0000 "Paul Scott" wrote: wrote in message ... If you enter and leave at the same station then you shouldn't be charged since you clearly have not made a journey worthy of the name. The fact that you are charged just demonstrates the complete mean spiritedness of the people in charge at TfL and the TOCs. If you thought about this for more than a few seconds you'd realise the charge is made to prevent people cancelling their journey by touching in, then touching an out gate without passing through, then heading off into the sunset on a train, FOC.. Almost all overground stations where Oysters are valid have ticket gates so unless they're planning on jumping over or pushing through them or are travelling to aberdeen how exactly is that going to help? You don't need to be going to Aberdeen. Anywhere ungated on any NR route outside London would do; and there are many such places in Surrey, Sussex, Kent etc etc... Paul S |
Blackfriars has re-opened
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, wrote:
Almost all overground stations where Oysters are valid have ticket gates DLR is ungated as are many NR stations. Even NR stations that are gated have to have the gates locked open for significant parts of the day because relatively few NR stations are staffed throughout station opening hours. -- Paul Terry |
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