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Someone Somewhere April 13th 12 07:16 AM

Circle restored
 
On 12/04/2012 16:19, Richard J. wrote:


LU reverted to the old-style Circle on Tuesday evening this week (10
April) after an earlier signalling failure at Baker Street which
resulted in the northern side of the Circle being closed. The resumption
of service in the evening consisted only of an (old-style) Circle Line
service, plus a shuttle service between Hammersmith and Edgware Road.

Quite why LU decided to recover from the suspension by operating a
completely different service from normal is a mystery. The result was
predictably a shambles. I saw two successive westbound trains held up
for 10 minutes while a driver was found. At one point there were 4
drivers and a manager on the platform, while we waited for a 5th driver
to arrive who could actually take the train forward.


I think I was on the first eastbound train out of Paddington at about
21:20 that evening which claimed to be only for Edgware Road but then
immediately changed into a Circle Line. Great I thought until arrival
at Edgware Road where we managed to pause for over 5 minutes waiting for
a relief driver...

[email protected] April 13th 12 10:21 AM

Circle restored
 
In article , (Someone
Somewhere) wrote:

On 12/04/2012 16:19, Richard J. wrote:

LU reverted to the old-style Circle on Tuesday evening this week (10
April) after an earlier signalling failure at Baker Street which
resulted in the northern side of the Circle being closed. The resumption
of service in the evening consisted only of an (old-style) Circle Line
service, plus a shuttle service between Hammersmith and Edgware Road.

Quite why LU decided to recover from the suspension by operating a
completely different service from normal is a mystery. The result was
predictably a shambles. I saw two successive westbound trains held up
for 10 minutes while a driver was found. At one point there were 4
drivers and a manager on the platform, while we waited for a 5th driver
to arrive who could actually take the train forward.


I think I was on the first eastbound train out of Paddington at about
21:20 that evening which claimed to be only for Edgware Road but then
immediately changed into a Circle Line. Great I thought until
arrival at Edgware Road where we managed to pause for over 5 minutes
waiting for a relief driver...


My observations (more than once for reasons I won't bore people with) on
Monday were that they were waiting for 5 minutes on every train. None of
mine changed drivers.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] April 13th 12 10:33 AM

Circle restored
 
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:21:12 -0500
wrote:
I think I was on the first eastbound train out of Paddington at about
21:20 that evening which claimed to be only for Edgware Road but then
immediately changed into a Circle Line. Great I thought until
arrival at Edgware Road where we managed to pause for over 5 minutes
waiting for a relief driver...


My observations (more than once for reasons I won't bore people with) on
Monday were that they were waiting for 5 minutes on every train. None of
mine changed drivers.


I'm surprised anyones bothers with the circle line TBH. On the rare occasions
I need to go to the western end of it I'll just use the central or bakerloo
and walk. It simply isn't worth the hassle using the Circle anymore, its
a total failure as a line.

B2003


Nick Leverton April 13th 12 10:41 AM

Circle restored
 
In article ,
Someone Somewhere wrote:

I think I was on the first eastbound train out of Paddington at about
21:20 that evening which claimed to be only for Edgware Road but then
immediately changed into a Circle Line. Great I thought until arrival
at Edgware Road where we managed to pause for over 5 minutes waiting for
a relief driver...


So it really was back to the authentic Circle line then !

Nick
--
"The Internet, a sort of ersatz counterfeit of real life"
-- Janet Street-Porter, BBC2, 19th March 1996

[email protected] April 13th 12 11:13 AM

Circle restored
 
In article , (Nick Leverton)
wrote:

In article ,
Someone Somewhere wrote:

I think I was on the first eastbound train out of Paddington at about
21:20 that evening which claimed to be only for Edgware Road but then
immediately changed into a Circle Line. Great I thought until arrival
at Edgware Road where we managed to pause for over 5 minutes waiting for
a relief driver...


So it really was back to the authentic Circle line then !


Yay!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] April 13th 12 11:13 AM

Circle restored
 
In article , d ()
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:21:12 -0500
wrote:
I think I was on the first eastbound train out of Paddington at about
21:20 that evening which claimed to be only for Edgware Road but then
immediately changed into a Circle Line. Great I thought until
arrival at Edgware Road where we managed to pause for over 5 minutes
waiting for a relief driver...


My observations (more than once for reasons I won't bore people with) on
Monday were that they were waiting for 5 minutes on every train. None of
mine changed drivers.


I'm surprised anyones bothers with the circle line TBH. On the rare
occasions I need to go to the western end of it I'll just use the central
or bakerloo and walk. It simply isn't worth the hassle using the Circle
anymore, its a total failure as a line.


If you have luggage and walking issues and want to get from King's Cross to
Putney it's still the best option. If you have a non-folding bike with you
it's the only option.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] April 13th 12 11:43 AM

Circle restored
 
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:13:41 -0500
wrote:
I'm surprised anyones bothers with the circle line TBH. On the rare
occasions I need to go to the western end of it I'll just use the central
or bakerloo and walk. It simply isn't worth the hassle using the Circle
anymore, its a total failure as a line.


If you have luggage and walking issues and want to get from King's Cross to
Putney it's still the best option. If you have a non-folding bike with you
it's the only option.


The circle line goes to putney now? No wonder its been having problems.

Seriously , if you have a bike why not just ride it and save yourself
some money? Otherwise why bring it?

B2003



[email protected] April 13th 12 02:41 PM

Circle restored
 
In article , d ()
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:13:41 -0500
wrote:
I'm surprised anyones bothers with the circle line TBH. On the rare
occasions I need to go to the western end of it I'll just use the
central or bakerloo and walk. It simply isn't worth the hassle using
the Circle anymore, its a total failure as a line.


If you have luggage and walking issues and want to get from King's Cross
to Putney it's still the best option. If you have a non-folding bike with
you it's the only option.


The circle line goes to putney now? No wonder its been having problems.

Seriously , if you have a bike why not just ride it and save yourself
some money? Otherwise why bring it?


What's the f***ing point? Wait till you have a suspect stress fracture in
your foot and heavy luggage, as my daughter did, with granddaughter in tow.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] April 14th 12 07:15 PM

Circle restored
 
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:41:10 -0500
wrote:
If you have luggage and walking issues and want to get from King's Cross
to Putney it's still the best option. If you have a non-folding bike with
you it's the only option.


The circle line goes to putney now? No wonder its been having problems.

Seriously , if you have a bike why not just ride it and save yourself
some money? Otherwise why bring it?


What's the f***ing point? Wait till you have a suspect stress fracture in
your foot and heavy luggage, as my daughter did, with granddaughter in tow.


Well if you're not going to ride it why f***ing take it then??

B2003



Mike Bristow April 14th 12 08:18 PM

Circle restored
 
In article ,
d wrote:
Well if you're not going to ride it why f***ing take it then??


Because you want it in once place, rather than the other.

Might be because you can't manage the ~80 miles from Cambridge -
or the ~10 miles from Kings X - and want to get the train part of
the way. This could be because you cycled from Putney to Cambridge,
and are too tired (*tish*) to cycle back again; because you're not that
fit; or because you're in a hurry.

Use your imagination and empathy, Boltar.


--
Mike Bristow



[email protected] April 16th 12 08:49 AM

Circle restored
 
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:18:51 +0100
Mike Bristow wrote:
In article ,
d wrote:
Well if you're not going to ride it why f***ing take it then??


Because you want it in once place, rather than the other.

Might be because you can't manage the ~80 miles from Cambridge -
or the ~10 miles from Kings X - and want to get the train part of
the way. This could be because you cycled from Putney to Cambridge,
and are too tired (*tish*) to cycle back again; because you're not that
fit; or because you're in a hurry.


Sorry , doesn't make sense. If he cycles to the station in cambridge then
there are plenty of places to leave a bike there. So why take it all the
way to london with all the hassle (to other pax as well as him) if he's not
going to use it there?

Use your imagination and empathy, Boltar.


Empathy? Ques que c'est?

B2003


Mike Bristow April 16th 12 09:42 AM

Circle restored
 
In article ,
d wrote:
Sorry , doesn't make sense. If he cycles to the station in cambridge then
there are plenty of places to leave a bike there. So why take it all the
way to london with all the hassle (to other pax as well as him) if he's not
going to use it there?


Who said they weren't going to use it in London? I merely said they weren't
going to use it from Kings X. Perhaps a ride from Kings X to Putney
is too far, but a ride from Putney Bridge to Hotham Road isn't.

--
Mike Bristow


redcat April 16th 12 01:41 PM

Circle restored
 
Quick question, please --

In 2 weeks I need to go from Bayswater to Great Portland St. Last time I
took the Circle Line, no probs.

I just looked at the interactive map and, although this thread is about
"circle restored", the interactive map still shows the Circle only goes
as far as Edgeware Rd.

Here's the Question! Is the map behind and I can get to Grt Portland
from Bayswater via Circle?

Thanks! Looking forward to being back in London.


Neil Williams April 16th 12 01:48 PM

Circle restored
 
On Apr 13, 12:41*pm, Nick Leverton wrote:

So it really was back to the authentic Circle line then !


It's more reliable now, but the situation at Paddington in the peaks
is somewhere between a joke and downright dangerous.

There *must* have been some way to put in a temporary staircase at the
other end of the platforms so a one way system could be implemented.
It's gone on for over a year now.

Neil

redcat April 16th 12 01:51 PM

Circle restored
 
On 4/13/2012 6:33 AM, d wrote:


I'm surprised anyones bothers with the circle line TBH. On the rare occasions
I need to go to the western end of it I'll just use the central or bakerloo
and walk. It simply isn't worth the hassle using the Circle anymore, its
a total failure as a line.

B2003

I lived in London through much of the 'seventies and anytime I needed to
go somewhere where the Circle or the District appeared to be the obvious
choices my heart sank.

Both lines remain the pits.

Why?



redcat April 16th 12 02:01 PM

Circle restored
 
On 4/16/2012 9:41 AM, redcat wrote:
Quick question, please --

In 2 weeks I need to go from Bayswater to Great Portland St. Last time I
took the Circle Line, no probs.

I just looked at the interactive map and, although this thread is about
"circle restored", the interactive map still shows the Circle only goes
as far as Edgeware Rd.

Here's the Question! Is the map behind and I can get to Grt Portland
from Bayswater via Circle?

Thanks! Looking forward to being back in London.


OMG, I love this:

http://traintimes.org.uk/map/tube/

It shows the tubes running live! (Is this real? or is this art?)

Also answers my question re Circle from Bayswater to Great Portland. In
theory, it is running.

redcat

Neil Williams April 16th 12 02:05 PM

Circle restored
 
On Apr 16, 3:51*pm, redcat wrote:

I lived in London through much of the 'seventies and anytime I needed to
go somewhere where the Circle or the District appeared to be the obvious
choices my heart sank.

Both lines remain the pits.

Why?


Knackered infrastructure, mainly.

But, unlike other countries, it does seem to be a LUL thing to run
nice new trains on knackered old infrastructure, rather than the
opposite as is more common (though usually maintaining the old trains
well so they aren't knackered).

Neil

redcat April 16th 12 02:19 PM

Circle restored
 
On 4/16/2012 10:05 AM, Neil Williams wrote:
On Apr 16, 3:51 pm, wrote:

I lived in London through much of the 'seventies and anytime I needed to
go somewhere where the Circle or the District appeared to be the obvious
choices my heart sank.

Both lines remain the pits.

Why?


Knackered infrastructure, mainly.

But, unlike other countries, it does seem to be a LUL thing to run
nice new trains on knackered old infrastructure, rather than the
opposite as is more common (though usually maintaining the old trains
well so they aren't knackered).

Neil


I agree! Must say, though, the old trains can be charming on occasion.
Little time machines. When I ride the Circle or District (or the
Northern) I feel I haven't aged a bit over four decades.

redcat

Neil Williams April 16th 12 02:22 PM

Circle restored
 
On Apr 16, 4:19*pm, redcat wrote:

I agree! Must say, though, the old trains can be charming on occasion.
Little time machines. When I ride the Circle or District (or the
Northern) I feel I haven't aged a bit over four decades.


I used to love riding 1930s stock on the Hamburg S-Bahn....in 1999!
Any big metro system do better?

Neil

[email protected] April 16th 12 02:33 PM

Circle restored
 
In article , (Mike
Bristow) wrote:

In article ,
d wrote:
Sorry , doesn't make sense. If he cycles to the station in cambridge
then there are plenty of places to leave a bike there. So why take it
all the way to london with all the hassle (to other pax as well as him)
if he's not going to use it there?


Who said they weren't going to use it in London? I merely said they
weren't going to use it from Kings X. Perhaps a ride from Kings X to
Putney is too far, but a ride from Putney Bridge to Hotham Road isn't.


Precisely. When I worked in London, I usually, especially once FCC and/or
TfL added far above inflation rises to the cost of day travelcards, cycled
between King's Cross and the office in Westminster.

I sometimes stayed in Putney overnight. After a long day at work I sometimes
didn't cycle the whole way, only to Vauxhall (nearest Zone 2 station). In
the morning I cycled from Putney to Westminster except when my tyre blew up
once.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

redcat April 16th 12 02:53 PM

Circle restored
 
On 4/16/2012 10:26 AM, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:41:06 -0400,
wrote:

Quick question, please --

In 2 weeks I need to go from Bayswater to Great Portland St. Last time I
took the Circle Line, no probs.

I just looked at the interactive map and, although this thread is about
"circle restored", the interactive map still shows the Circle only goes
as far as Edgeware Rd.

Here's the Question! Is the map behind and I can get to Grt Portland
from Bayswater via Circle?


Circle trains operate a "pan handle" service from Hammersmith then
round the circle via KX, Tower Hill, High St Ken and terminate at
Edgware Road. They then reverse and go back round the circle via HSK,
Tower Hill, KX and then back to Hammersmith.

If you board a train on the western section of the Circle then you
must change trains to reach Baker Street and stations further east.
Similarly if you board a train east of Edgware Road and want to reach
Bayswater and stations south thereof you must change trains at Edgware
Road. Passengers for Paddington would simply take a Hammersmith train
and use the H&C ticket hall to exit at Paddington.

Much of this thread was related to a temporary service pattern that LU
used to recover from a serious operational problem at baker Street.

On rare occasions the "old" Circle Line re-emerges at weekends if
there is engineering work that closes the line to Hammersmith.

Thank you. I'm going to have to print this out!

[email protected] April 16th 12 06:04 PM

Circle restored
 
In article ,
(redcat) wrote:

On 4/13/2012 6:33 AM,
d wrote:

I'm surprised anyones bothers with the circle line TBH. On the rare
occasions I need to go to the western end of it I'll just use the
central or bakerloo and walk. It simply isn't worth the hassle using the
Circle anymore, its a total failure as a line.

I lived in London through much of the 'seventies and anytime I needed
to go somewhere where the Circle or the District appeared to be the
obvious choices my heart sank.

Both lines remain the pits.

Why?


I was brought up in London nd have visited regularly since I left over 40
years ago. I have never found the Circle as bad as people claim it is and
the District gets me where I need to go every time.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] April 16th 12 06:04 PM

Circle restored
 
In article ,
(redcat) wrote:

Quick question, please --

In 2 weeks I need to go from Bayswater to Great Portland St. Last
time I took the Circle Line, no probs.

I just looked at the interactive map and, although this thread is
about "circle restored", the interactive map still shows the Circle
only goes as far as Edgeware Rd.

Here's the Question! Is the map behind and I can get to Grt Portland
from Bayswater via Circle?

Thanks! Looking forward to being back in London.


As Paul explains in another message, to make that journey you normally need
to change at Edgware Road in both directions. Over Easter and after a recent
disruption there were through Circle trains between Bayswater and Great
Portland St but you cannot do that normally.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

redcat April 16th 12 07:13 PM

Circle restored
 
On 4/16/2012 2:04 PM, wrote:
In articleXaydnceos6VovhHSnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@earthlink .com,
(redcat) wrote:

On 4/13/2012 6:33 AM,
d wrote:

I'm surprised anyones bothers with the circle line TBH. On the rare
occasions I need to go to the western end of it I'll just use the
central or bakerloo and walk. It simply isn't worth the hassle using the
Circle anymore, its a total failure as a line.

I lived in London through much of the 'seventies and anytime I needed
to go somewhere where the Circle or the District appeared to be the
obvious choices my heart sank.

Both lines remain the pits.

Why?


I was brought up in London nd have visited regularly since I left over 40
years ago. I have never found the Circle as bad as people claim it is and
the District gets me where I need to go every time.


I think at first it's luck of the draw and after that you're influenced
by what happened to you the first few times. I would stand freezing at
Bayswater waiting for the yellow or the green. I know other people
complained passionately about the black the same way; but the Northern
line always treated me well.

I think a bunch of us are just fascinated by the Underground, giving the
trains and lines a personality, and we have expectations of them. To
most other people the Underground is just transportation.

I mean -- aren't you proud that you can be still on the pavement and yet
know which train in what direction is arriving many feet below you?

It's like bird watching or plane spotting :-)






redcat April 16th 12 07:16 PM

Circle restored
 
On 4/16/2012 2:04 PM, wrote:
In ,
(redcat) wrote:

Quick question, please --

In 2 weeks I need to go from Bayswater to Great Portland St. Last
time I took the Circle Line, no probs.

I just looked at the interactive map and, although this thread is
about "circle restored", the interactive map still shows the Circle
only goes as far as Edgeware Rd.

Here's the Question! Is the map behind and I can get to Grt Portland
from Bayswater via Circle?

Thanks! Looking forward to being back in London.


As Paul explains in another message, to make that journey you normally need
to change at Edgware Road in both directions. Over Easter and after a recent
disruption there were through Circle trains between Bayswater and Great
Portland St but you cannot do that normally.

Which is odd... because I did it 50 weeks ago, on a Wednesday (direct
Circle from Bayswater - Grt Portland. I got there 30 mins early for an
appointment!)

redcat April 16th 12 07:28 PM

Circle restored
 
On 4/16/2012 3:16 PM, redcat wrote:
On 4/16/2012 2:04 PM, wrote:
In ,
(redcat) wrote:

Quick question, please --

In 2 weeks I need to go from Bayswater to Great Portland St. Last
time I took the Circle Line, no probs.

I just looked at the interactive map and, although this thread is
about "circle restored", the interactive map still shows the Circle
only goes as far as Edgeware Rd.

Here's the Question! Is the map behind and I can get to Grt Portland
from Bayswater via Circle?

Thanks! Looking forward to being back in London.


As Paul explains in another message, to make that journey you normally
need
to change at Edgware Road in both directions. Over Easter and after a
recent
disruption there were through Circle trains between Bayswater and Great
Portland St but you cannot do that normally.

Which is odd... because I did it 50 weeks ago, on a Wednesday (direct
Circle from Bayswater - Grt Portland. I got there 30 mins early for an
appointment!)


P.S. I just googled and got this:

Train journey from Bayswater to Great Portland Street
1) From Bayswater take the Circle Line
2) Leave the train at Great Portland Street

Journey: Bayswater → Paddington → Edgware Road → Baker Street → Great
Portland Street

Estimated time: 10 mins

Here is the link to the above:
http://www.londondrum.com/transport/...ortland-street



[email protected] April 16th 12 07:46 PM

Circle restored
 
In article ,
(redcat) wrote:

On 4/16/2012 2:04 PM,
wrote:
In ,
(redcat) wrote:

Quick question, please --

In 2 weeks I need to go from Bayswater to Great Portland St. Last
time I took the Circle Line, no probs.

I just looked at the interactive map and, although this thread is
about "circle restored", the interactive map still shows the Circle
only goes as far as Edgeware Rd.

Here's the Question! Is the map behind and I can get to Grt Portland
from Bayswater via Circle?

Thanks! Looking forward to being back in London.


As Paul explains in another message, to make that journey you normally
need to change at Edgware Road in both directions. Over Easter and after
a recent disruption there were through Circle trains between Bayswater
and Great Portland St but you cannot do that normally.

Which is odd... because I did it 50 weeks ago, on a Wednesday (direct
Circle from Bayswater - Grt Portland. I got there 30 mins early for
an appointment!)


And for over 100 years but someone decided to change it.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

redcat April 16th 12 07:54 PM

Circle restored
 
On 4/16/2012 3:46 PM, wrote:
In ,
(redcat) wrote:

On 4/16/2012 2:04 PM,
wrote:
In ,
(redcat) wrote:

Quick question, please --

In 2 weeks I need to go from Bayswater to Great Portland St. Last
time I took the Circle Line, no probs.

I just looked at the interactive map and, although this thread is
about "circle restored", the interactive map still shows the Circle
only goes as far as Edgeware Rd.

Here's the Question! Is the map behind and I can get to Grt Portland
from Bayswater via Circle?

Thanks! Looking forward to being back in London.

As Paul explains in another message, to make that journey you normally
need to change at Edgware Road in both directions. Over Easter and after
a recent disruption there were through Circle trains between Bayswater
and Great Portland St but you cannot do that normally.

Which is odd... because I did it 50 weeks ago, on a Wednesday (direct
Circle from Bayswater - Grt Portland. I got there 30 mins early for
an appointment!)


And for over 100 years but someone decided to change it.

I feel like I'm through the looking glass. I just checked the official
LU site and Circle goes from Bays to Grt Port. Shows a straight line. Also:

Here's from tubeplanner.com

Estimated journey time 10 minutes.
Fare Zones: 1.

1 At Bayswater take the Circle line.
2 Leave the train at Great Portland Street.


Details of your Journey
Station Line
Bayswater Circle
Paddington Circle
Edgware Road (Circle/District/H&C) Circle
Baker Street Circle
Great Portland Street Circle




redcat April 16th 12 07:59 PM

Circle restored
 
On 4/16/2012 3:54 PM, redcat wrote:
On 4/16/2012 3:46 PM, wrote:
In ,
(redcat) wrote:

On 4/16/2012 2:04 PM,
wrote:
In ,
(redcat) wrote:

Quick question, please --

In 2 weeks I need to go from Bayswater to Great Portland St. Last
time I took the Circle Line, no probs.

I just looked at the interactive map and, although this thread is
about "circle restored", the interactive map still shows the Circle
only goes as far as Edgeware Rd.

Here's the Question! Is the map behind and I can get to Grt Portland
from Bayswater via Circle?

Thanks! Looking forward to being back in London.

As Paul explains in another message, to make that journey you normally
need to change at Edgware Road in both directions. Over Easter and
after
a recent disruption there were through Circle trains between Bayswater
and Great Portland St but you cannot do that normally.

Which is odd... because I did it 50 weeks ago, on a Wednesday (direct
Circle from Bayswater - Grt Portland. I got there 30 mins early for
an appointment!)


And for over 100 years but someone decided to change it.

I feel like I'm through the looking glass. I just checked the official
LU site and Circle goes from Bays to Grt Port. Shows a straight line. Also:

Here's from tubeplanner.com

Estimated journey time 10 minutes.
Fare Zones: 1.

1 At Bayswater take the Circle line.
2 Leave the train at Great Portland Street.


Details of your Journey
Station Line
Bayswater Circle
Paddington Circle
Edgware Road (Circle/District/H&C) Circle
Baker Street Circle
Great Portland Street Circle



also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52ZE_5cwTiQ

2 circle line trains arriving at Great Portland St. on Youtube



[email protected] April 16th 12 10:56 PM

Circle restored
 
In article ,
(redcat) wrote:

On 4/16/2012 3:16 PM, redcat wrote:
On 4/16/2012 2:04 PM,
wrote:
In ,
(redcat) wrote:

Quick question, please --

In 2 weeks I need to go from Bayswater to Great Portland St. Last
time I took the Circle Line, no probs.

I just looked at the interactive map and, although this thread is
about "circle restored", the interactive map still shows the Circle
only goes as far as Edgeware Rd.

Here's the Question! Is the map behind and I can get to Grt Portland
from Bayswater via Circle?

Thanks! Looking forward to being back in London.

As Paul explains in another message, to make that journey you normally
need to change at Edgware Road in both directions. Over Easter and
after a recent disruption there were through Circle trains between
Bayswater and Great Portland St but you cannot do that normally.

Which is odd... because I did it 50 weeks ago, on a Wednesday (direct
Circle from Bayswater - Grt Portland. I got there 30 mins early for an
appointment!)


P.S. I just googled and got this:

Train journey from Bayswater to Great Portland Street
1) From Bayswater take the Circle Line
2) Leave the train at Great Portland Street

Journey: Bayswater _ Paddington _ Edgware Road _ Baker Street _ Great
Portland Street

Estimated time: 10 mins

Here is the link to the above:
http://www.londondrum.com/transport/...om=bayswater&t
o=great-portland-street


Better use the TfL Journey Planner, then, http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/.
It clearly shows the need to change at Edgware Road.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] April 16th 12 11:13 PM

Circle restored
 
In article ,
(redcat) wrote:

I feel like I'm through the looking glass. I just checked the
official LU site and Circle goes from Bays to Grt Port. Shows a
straight line. Also:

Here's from tubeplanner.com

Estimated journey time 10 minutes.
Fare Zones: 1.

1 At Bayswater take the Circle line.
2 Leave the train at Great Portland Street.


Details of your Journey
Station Line
Bayswater Circle
Paddington Circle
Edgware Road (Circle/District/H&C) Circle
Baker Street Circle
Great Portland Street Circle


Better use the official site and not some crap alternative, then!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] April 16th 12 11:29 PM

Circle restored
 
In article ,
() wrote:

*Subject:* Circle restored
*From:*

*Date:* Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:13:41 -0500

In article ,
d
() wrote:

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:21:12 -0500
wrote:
I think I was on the first eastbound train out of Paddington at

about 21:20 that evening which claimed to be only for Edgware
Road but then immediately changed into a Circle Line. Great I
thought until arrival at Edgware Road where we managed to pause
for over 5 minutes waiting for a relief driver...

My observations (more than once for reasons I won't bore people

with) on Monday were that they were waiting for 5 minutes on every
train. None of mine changed drivers.

I'm surprised anyones bothers with the circle line TBH. On the rare
occasions I need to go to the western end of it I'll just use the
central or bakerloo and walk. It simply isn't worth the hassle
using the Circle anymore, its a total failure as a line.


If you have luggage and walking issues and want to get from King's
Cross to Putney it's still the best option. If you have a non-folding
bike with you it's the only option.


Looking at the TfL Journey Planner for tomorrow I see it gives me just two
choices from King's Cross to Putney. Either the Victoria Line and SWT to
Putney or the H&C or Circle to Edgware Road and District from there to East
Putney in much the same journey time.

A no brainer to use the Circle then as the Oyster fare to Putney via SWT is
a lot higher (£2.05 with a railcard on my Oyster card) than the Underground
fare to East Putney (£1.30).

--
Colin Rosenstiel

redcat April 17th 12 01:43 AM

Circle restored
 
On 4/16/2012 6:56 PM, wrote:
In article6PSdnRCS7bda7xHSnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@earthlink .com,
(redcat) wrote:

On 4/16/2012 3:16 PM, redcat wrote:
On 4/16/2012 2:04 PM,
wrote:
In ,
(redcat) wrote:

Quick question, please --

In 2 weeks I need to go from Bayswater to Great Portland St. Last
time I took the Circle Line, no probs.

I just looked at the interactive map and, although this thread is
about "circle restored", the interactive map still shows the Circle
only goes as far as Edgeware Rd.

Here's the Question! Is the map behind and I can get to Grt Portland
from Bayswater via Circle?

Thanks! Looking forward to being back in London.

As Paul explains in another message, to make that journey you normally
need to change at Edgware Road in both directions. Over Easter and
after a recent disruption there were through Circle trains between
Bayswater and Great Portland St but you cannot do that normally.

Which is odd... because I did it 50 weeks ago, on a Wednesday (direct
Circle from Bayswater - Grt Portland. I got there 30 mins early for an
appointment!)


P.S. I just googled and got this:

Train journey from Bayswater to Great Portland Street
1) From Bayswater take the Circle Line
2) Leave the train at Great Portland Street

Journey: Bayswater _ Paddington _ Edgware Road _ Baker Street _ Great
Portland Street

Estimated time: 10 mins

Here is the link to the above:
http://www.londondrum.com/transport/...om=bayswater&t
o=great-portland-street


Better use the TfL Journey Planner, then, http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/.
It clearly shows the need to change at Edgware Road.


The way I see it (and I can't cut and paste the detail, so I've supplied
the long link) is go to Edgeware Rd and take either H&C OR Circle toward
King'sX (which means stay on the Circle).

If you take DISTRICT line from Bayswater you would have to change for
the Circle or H&C at Edgeware. Here's the link:

http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...teDi stance=1







Robert Neville April 17th 12 02:59 AM

Circle restored
 
redcat wrote:

The way I see it (and I can't cut and paste the detail, so I've supplied
the long link) is go to Edgeware Rd and take either H&C OR Circle toward
King'sX (which means stay on the Circle).

If you take DISTRICT line from Bayswater you would have to change for
the Circle or H&C at Edgeware. Here's the link:



Unfortunately your link is session specific and timed out. Here's a screenshot
of the same journey.

http://www.tablazonvalley.com/details.jpg

I think you are misinterpreting the route. If you could stay on the Circle line,
there would be no point in showing the connection at Edgeware.

Paul Terry[_3_] April 17th 12 06:59 AM

Circle restored
 
In message , redcat
writes

The way I see it (and I can't cut and paste the detail, so I've
supplied the long link) is go to Edgeware Rd and take either H&C OR
Circle toward King'sX (which means stay on the Circle).


The following (dating from the time of the change) should help you to
see the new pattern of circle line operations more clearly:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7926242.stm

Notice that Edgware Road is the terminus of the line from Bayswater.

--
Paul Terry

[email protected] April 17th 12 07:24 AM

Circle restored
 
In article ,
(redcat) wrote:

On 4/16/2012 6:56 PM,
wrote:
In article6PSdnRCS7bda7xHSnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@earthlink .com,
(redcat) wrote:

On 4/16/2012 3:16 PM, redcat wrote:
On 4/16/2012 2:04 PM,
wrote:
In ,
(redcat) wrote:

Quick question, please --

In 2 weeks I need to go from Bayswater to Great Portland St. Last
time I took the Circle Line, no probs.

I just looked at the interactive map and, although this thread is
about "circle restored", the interactive map still shows the Circle
only goes as far as Edgeware Rd.

Here's the Question! Is the map behind and I can get to Grt Portland
from Bayswater via Circle?

Thanks! Looking forward to being back in London.

As Paul explains in another message, to make that journey you
normally need to change at Edgware Road in both directions. Over
Easter and after a recent disruption there were through Circle trains
between Bayswater and Great Portland St but you cannot do that
normally.

Which is odd... because I did it 50 weeks ago, on a Wednesday (direct
Circle from Bayswater - Grt Portland. I got there 30 mins early for
an appointment!)

P.S. I just googled and got this:

Train journey from Bayswater to Great Portland Street
1) From Bayswater take the Circle Line
2) Leave the train at Great Portland Street

Journey: Bayswater _ Paddington _ Edgware Road _ Baker Street _ Great
Portland Street

Estimated time: 10 mins

Here is the link to the above:


http://www.londondrum.com/transport/...water&to=great
-portland-street

Better use the TfL Journey Planner, then,
http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/.
It clearly shows the need to change at Edgware Road.


The way I see it (and I can't cut and paste the detail, so I've
supplied the long link) is go to Edgeware Rd and take either H&C OR
Circle toward King'sX (which means stay on the Circle).

If you take DISTRICT line from Bayswater you would have to change for
the Circle or H&C at Edgeware. Here's the link:

http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/use...?language=en&s
essionID=TLJJP09P1_2747749531&requestID=1&tripSele ctor2=1&itdLPxx_view
=detail&tripSelection=on&command=nop&calculateDist ance=1


From Bayswater you take the first train, Circle or District, to Edgware Road
where it terminates. You then simply transfer to the Eastbound platform (4 I
think) and catch the first train from Hammersmith, either Circle or
Hammersmith and City, to Great Portland Street.

In the other direction it's not quite so easy. You get a Circle or
Hammersmith train to Edgware Road but there you have to work out which of
platforms 2 and 3 has the first train to Bayswater standing at it. The
Passenger Information System at Edgware Road is so awful they don't tell you
when trains are due to leave. And, IME, there are no platform staff to help
you either.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] April 17th 12 08:43 AM

Circle restored
 
On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:13:24 -0400
redcat wrote:
I think a bunch of us are just fascinated by the Underground, giving the
trains and lines a personality, and we have expectations of them. To
most other people the Underground is just transportation.


The underground is interesting from a technical point of view but when
you have to use it on a daily basis its a PITA. I could take the tube
to work here in west london but its less stress and quicker to brave the
north circular in the car.

B2003



redcat April 17th 12 01:17 PM

Circle restored
 
On 4/16/2012 10:59 PM, Robert Neville wrote:
wrote:

The way I see it (and I can't cut and paste the detail, so I've supplied
the long link) is go to Edgeware Rd and take either H&C OR Circle toward
King'sX (which means stay on the Circle).

If you take DISTRICT line from Bayswater you would have to change for
the Circle or H&C at Edgeware. Here's the link:



Unfortunately your link is session specific and timed out. Here's a screenshot
of the same journey.

http://www.tablazonvalley.com/details.jpg

I think you are misinterpreting the route. If you could stay on the Circle line,
there would be no point in showing the connection at Edgeware.


They give you the choice of circle or district at bayswater. If you took
district then you have to change at edgeware. If you took circle, you
can stay on the train to get to great portland.

Suppose you get to bayswater and the white board says no circle. then
you have to take district and follow the change at edgeware instructions.

This is how I believe it works.



redcat April 17th 12 01:26 PM

Circle restored RC GETS IT!!
 
On 4/17/2012 2:59 AM, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , redcat
writes

The way I see it (and I can't cut and paste the detail, so I've
supplied the long link) is go to Edgeware Rd and take either H&C OR
Circle toward King'sX (which means stay on the Circle).


The following (dating from the time of the change) should help you to
see the new pattern of circle line operations more clearly:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7926242.stm

Notice that Edgware Road is the terminus of the line from Bayswater.


Oh, now I get it!!!!

Thank you for your patience. Thank you all.

So, I would transfer from Circle TO Circle (or H&C or Metropolitan).

YaY

rc

[email protected] April 17th 12 11:29 PM

Circle restored
 
In article ,
(redcat) wrote:

On 4/16/2012 10:59 PM, Robert Neville wrote:
wrote:

The way I see it (and I can't cut and paste the detail, so I've
supplied the long link) is go to Edgeware Rd and take either H&C OR
Circle toward King'sX (which means stay on the Circle).

If you take DISTRICT line from Bayswater you would have to change for
the Circle or H&C at Edgeware. Here's the link:



Unfortunately your link is session specific and timed out. Here's a
screenshot of the same journey.

http://www.tablazonvalley.com/details.jpg

I think you are misinterpreting the route. If you could stay on the
Circle line, there would be no point in showing the connection at
Edgeware.


They give you the choice of circle or district at bayswater. If you
took district then you have to change at edgeware. If you took
circle, you can stay on the train to get to great portland.

Suppose you get to bayswater and the white board says no circle. then
you have to take district and follow the change at edgeware
instructions.

This is how I believe it works.


That is not how it works! Both District AND Circle trains from Bayswater
terminate at Edgware Road. If you want to reach Great Portland Street you
have to cross to platform 1 at Edgware Road and take a Circle or Hammersmith
and City train that comes from Hammersmith.

--
Colin Rosenstiel


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