Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

This stretch is being doubled, started some weeks back, but much work
still left to be done. The section was shut last weekend. New track
looks like it will be laid to the south of the current track.

Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

On Thursday, 17 May 2012 21:16:27 UTC+1, Dr. Sunil wrote:
This stretch is being doubled, started some weeks back, but much work
still left to be done. The section was shut last weekend. New track
looks like it will be laid to the south of the current track.

It always worked well as a single track; but I suppose this will speed up the service.

Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

On Fri, 18 May 2012 02:48:25 -0700 (PDT), Offramp
wrote:

On Thursday, 17 May 2012 21:16:27 UTC+1, Dr. Sunil wrote:
This stretch is being doubled, started some weeks back, but much work
still left to be done. The section was shut last weekend. New track
looks like it will be laid to the south of the current track.

It always worked well as a single track; but I suppose this will speed up the service.

Surely it allows a more frequent service, rather than reduced journey
times.

Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...

Correct - it's my understanding that improved frequency is the reason
for the double tracking. I think the long term plan is to restore
double track on all of the Wimbledon line but Wimbledon station is a
particular problem.

Especially when you consider that the existing platform is also down for
changes in the London and SE RUS's proposal for 5 tracking the SWML from
from Surbiton; i.e. Thameslink will be displaced onto the current tram
platform.

No indications of where they'd move the trams, but some people might be
pleased if it removed the confusion about Oyster PAYG once and for all.
(As discussed here in uk.t.l now and again.)

Paul S

Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

On Fri, 18 May 2012 12:32:48 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
.. .

Correct - it's my understanding that improved frequency is the reason
for the double tracking. I think the long term plan is to restore
double track on all of the Wimbledon line but Wimbledon station is a
particular problem.

Especially when you consider that the existing platform is also down for
changes in the London and SE RUS's proposal for 5 tracking the SWML from
from Surbiton; i.e. Thameslink will be displaced onto the current tram
platform.

No indications of where they'd move the trams, but some people might be
pleased if it removed the confusion about Oyster PAYG once and for all.
(As discussed here in uk.t.l now and again.)

Is there any possibility of bringing it up to street level or are the
roads in that area too crowded already?

Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

Recliner wrote in
:

Is there any possibility of bringing it [tram lines approaching Wimbledon
Station] up to street level or are the
roads in that area too crowded already?

I suppose anything is possible, but there's no street in the right
orientation, wide enough, with space for the tracks to rise up and allowing
good interchange with the railway station. One, relatively cheap, option
might be to truncate the tram tracks at about the point where they become
single just short of going into the tunnel/bridge, and create a pedestrian
walkway from the station under the bridge in place of the single track.

Peter

--
|| Peter CS ~ Epsom ~ UK | pjcs02 [at] gmail.com |

Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2012 12:32:48 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
.. .

Correct - it's my understanding that improved frequency is the reason
for the double tracking. I think the long term plan is to restore
double track on all of the Wimbledon line but Wimbledon station is a
particular problem.

Especially when you consider that the existing platform is also down for
changes in the London and SE RUS's proposal for 5 tracking the SWML from
from Surbiton; i.e. Thameslink will be displaced onto the current tram
platform.

No indications of where they'd move the trams, but some people might be
pleased if it removed the confusion about Oyster PAYG once and for all.
(As discussed here in uk.t.l now and again.)

Is there any possibility of bringing it up to street level or are the
roads in that area too crowded already?

Where, though? The road layout at Wimbledon station doesn't seem too
suitable or accessible from the Tramlink approach to me.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

On Fri, 18 May 2012 08:05:04 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2012 12:32:48 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
.. .

Correct - it's my understanding that improved frequency is the reason
for the double tracking. I think the long term plan is to restore
double track on all of the Wimbledon line but Wimbledon station is a
particular problem.

Especially when you consider that the existing platform is also down for
changes in the London and SE RUS's proposal for 5 tracking the SWML from
from Surbiton; i.e. Thameslink will be displaced onto the current tram
platform.

No indications of where they'd move the trams, but some people might be
pleased if it removed the confusion about Oyster PAYG once and for all.
(As discussed here in uk.t.l now and again.)

Is there any possibility of bringing it up to street level or are the
roads in that area too crowded already?

Where, though? The road layout at Wimbledon station doesn't seem too
suitable or accessible from the Tramlink approach to me.

I was thinking from further back on the line, well before the bridge
(eg, up Hartfield Road or Crescent, perhaps one-way up one road and
back down another). The double track section starts some distance from
the station, so getting people to walk to new platforms from the
existing station wouldn't go down well, eg, see the waiting tram in
this view: http://binged.it/J2xrXQ

Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2012 08:05:04 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2012 12:32:48 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
.. .

Correct - it's my understanding that improved frequency is the
reason for the double tracking. I think the long term plan is to
restore double track on all of the Wimbledon line but Wimbledon
station is a particular problem.

Especially when you consider that the existing platform is also down
for changes in the London and SE RUS's proposal for 5 tracking the
SWML from from Surbiton; i.e. Thameslink will be displaced onto the
current tram platform.

No indications of where they'd move the trams, but some people might
be pleased if it removed the confusion about Oyster PAYG once and for
all. (As discussed here in uk.t.l now and again.)

Is there any possibility of bringing it up to street level or are the
roads in that area too crowded already?

Where, though? The road layout at Wimbledon station doesn't seem too
suitable or accessible from the Tramlink approach to me.

I was thinking from further back on the line, well before the bridge
(eg, up Hartfield Road or Crescent, perhaps one-way up one road and
back down another). The double track section starts some distance from
the station, so getting people to walk to new platforms from the
existing station wouldn't go down well, eg, see the waiting tram in
this view: http://binged.it/J2xrXQ

That picture illustrates the problem quite well. You would approach up a
residential road that is a one-way street and then have a sharp bend into
Hartfield Road.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

On 18/05/2012 10:54, Recliner wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 02:48:25 -0700 (PDT), Offramp
wrote:

On Thursday, 17 May 2012 21:16:27 UTC+1, Dr. Sunil wrote:
This stretch is being doubled, started some weeks back, but much work
still left to be done. The section was shut last weekend. New track
looks like it will be laid to the south of the current track.

It always worked well as a single track; but I suppose this will speed up the service.

Surely it allows a more frequent service, rather than reduced journey
times.

And more robust service, so any delays to the more frequent trams won't
rapidly propagate across the system causing general chaos.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

On Fri, 18 May 2012 13:49:56 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2012 08:05:04 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2012 12:32:48 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
.. .

Correct - it's my understanding that improved frequency is the
reason for the double tracking. I think the long term plan is to
restore double track on all of the Wimbledon line but Wimbledon
station is a particular problem.

Especially when you consider that the existing platform is also down
for changes in the London and SE RUS's proposal for 5 tracking the
SWML from from Surbiton; i.e. Thameslink will be displaced onto the
current tram platform.

No indications of where they'd move the trams, but some people might
be pleased if it removed the confusion about Oyster PAYG once and for
all. (As discussed here in uk.t.l now and again.)

Is there any possibility of bringing it up to street level or are the
roads in that area too crowded already?

Where, though? The road layout at Wimbledon station doesn't seem too
suitable or accessible from the Tramlink approach to me.

I was thinking from further back on the line, well before the bridge
(eg, up Hartfield Road or Crescent, perhaps one-way up one road and
back down another). The double track section starts some distance from
the station, so getting people to walk to new platforms from the
existing station wouldn't go down well, eg, see the waiting tram in
this view: http://binged.it/J2xrXQ

That picture illustrates the problem quite well. You would approach up a
residential road that is a one-way street and then have a sharp bend into
Hartfield Road.

If the tram got on to Hartfield Rd at the Kingston Rd junction, it
looks like a fairly easy transition, on the level. It would then
follow Hartfield Rd all the way up to the Bridge and would pass
outside the front of the station, proceeding on to Wimbledon Hill Rd,
possibly all the way up to the village. Alternatively, it could just
follow Hartfield Rd straight on to The Braodway. It would follow the
one-way system on the return, coming via The Broadway, Gladstone Rd
and Sir Cyril Black Way.

Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

On 18/05/2012 12:32, Paul Scott wrote:
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...

Correct - it's my understanding that improved frequency is the reason
for the double tracking. I think the long term plan is to restore
double track on all of the Wimbledon line but Wimbledon station is a
particular problem.

Especially when you consider that the existing platform is also down for
changes in the London and SE RUS's proposal for 5 tracking the SWML from
from Surbiton; i.e. Thameslink will be displaced onto the current tram
platform.

No indications of where they'd move the trams, but some people might be
pleased if it removed the confusion about Oyster PAYG once and for all.
(As discussed here in uk.t.l now and again.)

Paul S

Are there any details for the five tracking to Surbiton?

Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2012 13:49:56 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2012 08:05:04 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(Recliner) wrote:

On Fri, 18 May 2012 12:32:48 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
.. .

Correct - it's my understanding that improved frequency is the
reason for the double tracking. I think the long term plan is to
restore double track on all of the Wimbledon line but Wimbledon
station is a particular problem.

Especially when you consider that the existing platform is also
down for changes in the London and SE RUS's proposal for 5 tracking
the SWML from from Surbiton; i.e. Thameslink will be displaced
onto the current tram platform.

No indications of where they'd move the trams, but some people
might be pleased if it removed the confusion about Oyster PAYG once
and for all. (As discussed here in uk.t.l now and again.)

Is there any possibility of bringing it up to street level or are
the roads in that area too crowded already?

Where, though? The road layout at Wimbledon station doesn't seem too
suitable or accessible from the Tramlink approach to me.

I was thinking from further back on the line, well before the bridge
(eg, up Hartfield Road or Crescent, perhaps one-way up one road and
back down another). The double track section starts some distance from
the station, so getting people to walk to new platforms from the
existing station wouldn't go down well, eg, see the waiting tram in
this view: http://binged.it/J2xrXQ

That picture illustrates the problem quite well. You would approach up a
residential road that is a one-way street and then have a sharp bend into
Hartfield Road.

If the tram got on to Hartfield Rd at the Kingston Rd junction, it
looks like a fairly easy transition, on the level. It would then
follow Hartfield Rd all the way up to the Bridge and would pass
outside the front of the station, proceeding on to Wimbledon Hill Rd,
possibly all the way up to the village. Alternatively, it could just
follow Hartfield Rd straight on to The Braodway. It would follow the
one-way system on the return, coming via The Broadway, Gladstone Rd
and Sir Cyril Black Way.

That amount of street running would, I suspect, be a very expensive
solution. You'd also lose the Dundonald Road tram stop.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 May 2012 23:27:30 +0100, Tony Dragon
wrote:

Are there any details for the five tracking to Surbiton?

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...20strategy.pdf

pdf pages 19 and 20 talks about the option but there isn't huge
detail.

There's also a track layout on page 134 of the same document in the more
detailed descriptions of various schemes.

Paul S

Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

On 19/05/2012 00:22, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 23:27:30 +0100, Tony Dragon
wrote:

On 18/05/2012 12:32, Paul Scott wrote:
"Paul wrote in message
...

Correct - it's my understanding that improved frequency is the reason
for the double tracking. I think the long term plan is to restore
double track on all of the Wimbledon line but Wimbledon station is a
particular problem.

Especially when you consider that the existing platform is also down for
changes in the London and SE RUS's proposal for 5 tracking the SWML from
from Surbiton; i.e. Thameslink will be displaced onto the current tram
platform.

No indications of where they'd move the trams, but some people might be
pleased if it removed the confusion about Oyster PAYG once and for all.
(As discussed here in uk.t.l now and again.)

Paul S

Are there any details for the five tracking to Surbiton?

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...20strategy.pdf

pdf pages 19 and 20 talks about the option but there isn't huge
detail.

Thanks for that, I can't see it happening because of the cost & the
disruption.

Tramlink doubling - Mitcham to Mitcham Junction
 

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:54:22AM +0100, Recliner wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 02:48:25 -0700 (PDT), Offramp
wrote:

On Thursday, 17 May 2012 21:16:27 UTC+1, Dr. Sunil wrote:
This stretch is being doubled, started some weeks back, but much work
still left to be done. The section was shut last weekend. New track
looks like it will be laid to the south of the current track.

It always worked well as a single track; but I suppose this will speed up the service.

Surely it allows a more frequent service, rather than reduced journey
times.

It will also mean that when trams deviate from the timetable the
effects on other trams won't be so bad and so delays will be reduced and
it'll be easier to get back to normal.

--
David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world

I remember when computers were frustrating because they did
exactly what you told them to. That seems kinda quaint now.
-- JD Baldwin, in the Monastery