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The Jubilee line
Oh dear. Another disaster. What the hell is wrong with this line and the
trains that run on it? I hope TfL is getting compensation from the manufacturers for these endless cockups. B2003 |
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 10:43:05 +0100
Walter Briscoe wrote: I infer Boltar is referring to the incident reported in http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18185001 Thats the one. Tube passengers led down Jubilee Line after train fault Any train that runs underground and can completely break down and not be moved at all has (short of it being the brakes locked on) a design fault. "This is clearly not the level of service they have a right to expect." There's a man with his finger on the pulse. B2003 |
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On May 24, 11:24*am, wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 10:43:05 +0100 Walter Briscoe wrote: I infer Boltar is referring to the incident reported in http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18185001 Thats the one. Tube passengers led down Jubilee Line after train fault Any train that runs underground and can completely break down and not be moved at all has (short of it being the brakes locked on) a design fault. "This is clearly not the level of service they have a right to expect." There's a man with his finger on the pulse. B2003 According to the latest from the BBC they were on the train for fours hours. Just how long does it take for someone to decide that a train cannot be moved? And why can't the emergency services overrule TFL, demand, or order the the power turned off under threat of arrest of individual staff, and extract the passengers vian the tunnel, after say, a maximum of 30 minutes? If someone had died, everyone from 'the man with his finger on the pulse' up to Boris would have been feeling the heat today Neill |
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 07:04:55 -0700 (PDT)
neill wrote: According to the latest from the BBC they were on the train for fours hours. Just how long does it take for someone to decide that a train cannot be moved? And why can't the emergency services overrule TFL, **** knows. Probably the usual mix of public sector incompentance and no one wanting to take any decisions or responsibility but instead just passing the problem up to the next level of management who have even less an idea of whats actually happening than the previous level. demand, or order the the power turned off under threat of arrest of individual staff, and extract the passengers vian the tunnel, after say, a maximum of 30 minutes? If someone had died, everyone from 'the man with his finger on the pulse' up to Boris would have been feeling the heat today There'd be a lot of insincere hang wringing, endless trite "lessons will be learnt" media statements from talking heads and after a year it would be forgotten about and everything would carry on as before until the next time. B2003 |
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neill wrote on 24 May 2012 15:04:55 ...
On May 24, 11:24 am, wrote: On Thu, 24 May 2012 10:43:05 +0100 Walter wrote: I infer Boltar is referring to the incident reported in http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18185001 Thats the one. Tube passengers led down Jubilee Line after train fault Any train that runs underground and can completely break down and not be moved at all has (short of it being the brakes locked on) a design fault. "This is clearly not the level of service they have a right to expect." There's a man with his finger on the pulse. B2003 According to the latest from the BBC they were on the train for fours hours. Just how long does it take for someone to decide that a train cannot be moved? And why can't the emergency services overrule TFL, demand, or order the the power turned off under threat of arrest of individual staff, and extract the passengers vian the tunnel, after say, a maximum of 30 minutes? If someone had died, everyone from 'the man with his finger on the pulse' up to Boris would have been feeling the heat today According to the Evening Standard, the first passenger was evacuated after 1½ hours, the last passenger after 3½ hours. So that's 2 hours to evacuate 773 passengers. One passenger per 9 seconds - not good enough. The ES also reports that "after the failure between Baker Street and St John’s Wood just after 5.30pm, a rescue train was sent in to push the stranded one to the next station. But that ground to a halt because the first one was on an uphill gradient and was too heavy. Distressed passengers were then told to walk on tracks to safety." Other reports say that the push-out failed "partly" because of the gradient. Perhaps the brakes were locked on. I hope the RAIB get stuck into this, as they did with the Kentish Town incident last year on FCC, where it took just under 3 hours to release passengers from a packed Thameslink train which broke down. The fact that the Jubilee train problem had never been seen before is irrelevant. What matters is whether LU have a proper procedure for evacuating passengers quickly and keeping them informed meanwhile. The evidence so far from this incident is that they still don't. -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 21:13:10 +0100
"Richard J." wrote: stranded one to the next station. But that ground to a halt because the first one was on an uphill gradient and was too heavy. Distressed Hmm, I don't believe that because that would mean if the motors in one half of a train failed or had to be shut off in normal service the train wouldn't be able to make it up that gradient. I hope the RAIB get stuck into this, as they did with the Kentish Town incident last year on FCC, where it took just under 3 hours to release passengers from a packed Thameslink train which broke down. The amount of money paid to railway workers seems increasingly to be in inverse proportion to their competance. B2003 |
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On 5/24/2012 4:13 PM, Richard J. wrote:
neill wrote on 24 May 2012 15:04:55 ... On May 24, 11:24 am, wrote: On Thu, 24 May 2012 10:43:05 +0100 Walter wrote: I infer Boltar is referring to the incident reported in http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18185001 Thats the one. Tube passengers led down Jubilee Line after train fault Any train that runs underground and can completely break down and not be moved at all has (short of it being the brakes locked on) a design fault. "This is clearly not the level of service they have a right to expect." There's a man with his finger on the pulse. B2003 According to the latest from the BBC they were on the train for fours hours. Just how long does it take for someone to decide that a train cannot be moved? And why can't the emergency services overrule TFL, demand, or order the the power turned off under threat of arrest of individual staff, and extract the passengers vian the tunnel, after say, a maximum of 30 minutes? If someone had died, everyone from 'the man with his finger on the pulse' up to Boris would have been feeling the heat today According to the Evening Standard, the first passenger was evacuated after 1½ hours, the last passenger after 3½ hours. So that's 2 hours to evacuate 773 passengers. One passenger per 9 seconds - not good enough. The ES also reports that "after the failure between Baker Street and St John’s Wood just after 5.30pm, a rescue train was sent in to push the stranded one to the next station. But that ground to a halt because the first one was on an uphill gradient and was too heavy. Distressed passengers were then told to walk on tracks to safety." Other reports say that the push-out failed "partly" because of the gradient. Perhaps the brakes were locked on. I hope the RAIB get stuck into this, as they did with the Kentish Town incident last year on FCC, where it took just under 3 hours to release passengers from a packed Thameslink train which broke down. The fact that the Jubilee train problem had never been seen before is irrelevant. What matters is whether LU have a proper procedure for evacuating passengers quickly and keeping them informed meanwhile. The evidence so far from this incident is that they still don't. Wasn't it the Jubilee line where people were stuck waiting to get to the Millennium Dome? I mean, this is going back 13 years so I don't remember the whole story. But definitely there was an event like this. rc |
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On Tue, 29 May 2012 15:49:47 -0400, redcat
wrote: On 5/24/2012 4:13 PM, Richard J. wrote: neill wrote on 24 May 2012 15:04:55 ... On May 24, 11:24 am, wrote: On Thu, 24 May 2012 10:43:05 +0100 Walter wrote: I infer Boltar is referring to the incident reported in http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18185001 Thats the one. Tube passengers led down Jubilee Line after train fault Any train that runs underground and can completely break down and not be moved at all has (short of it being the brakes locked on) a design fault. "This is clearly not the level of service they have a right to expect." There's a man with his finger on the pulse. B2003 According to the latest from the BBC they were on the train for fours hours. Just how long does it take for someone to decide that a train cannot be moved? And why can't the emergency services overrule TFL, demand, or order the the power turned off under threat of arrest of individual staff, and extract the passengers vian the tunnel, after say, a maximum of 30 minutes? If someone had died, everyone from 'the man with his finger on the pulse' up to Boris would have been feeling the heat today According to the Evening Standard, the first passenger was evacuated after 1½ hours, the last passenger after 3½ hours. So that's 2 hours to evacuate 773 passengers. One passenger per 9 seconds - not good enough. The ES also reports that "after the failure between Baker Street and St John’s Wood just after 5.30pm, a rescue train was sent in to push the stranded one to the next station. But that ground to a halt because the first one was on an uphill gradient and was too heavy. Distressed passengers were then told to walk on tracks to safety." Other reports say that the push-out failed "partly" because of the gradient. Perhaps the brakes were locked on. I hope the RAIB get stuck into this, as they did with the Kentish Town incident last year on FCC, where it took just under 3 hours to release passengers from a packed Thameslink train which broke down. The fact that the Jubilee train problem had never been seen before is irrelevant. What matters is whether LU have a proper procedure for evacuating passengers quickly and keeping them informed meanwhile. The evidence so far from this incident is that they still don't. Wasn't it the Jubilee line where people were stuck waiting to get to the Millennium Dome? I mean, this is going back 13 years so I don't remember the whole story. But definitely there was an event like this. I thought that they were stuck at Security, not on the train. |
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