On Jun 2, 10:39*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-
wrote:
e27002 wrote:
Last I knew the postal address
Chessington, Surrey is/was actually in London.

You can put "Chessington", "Chessington, Surrey", "Chessington, London",
"Chessington, Greater London", "Chessington, Occupied Surrey", "Chessington,
Neverneverland" or "Chessington, [Whatever]" on a postal address. Royal Mail
no longer require counties to be included - they gave up in 1996 around the
time of technological advancements and yet another round of local government
reorganisation changing county boundaries.

Understood. And it was a good thing. AFIK, the UK was the only
entity still utilizing counties in mailing addresses. However, until
1996 the mailing address was CHESSINGTON, Surrey. And, many residents
think of themselves as part of Surrey. None-the-less, they pay
Council Tax to the GLA.

This would be well and good if they had voted to become Londoners.
They never did. In 1974 they simply woke up within the GLC.

Southwark, Putney, Wimbledon, et al, suffered the same fate in 1889.

No liberals screaming for democracy on this one!

On Jun 3, 9:09*am, e27002 wrote:
On Jun 2, 10:39*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote:
e27002 wrote:
*However, until
1996 the mailing address was CHESSINGTON, Surrey. *And, many residents
think of themselves as part of Surrey. *None-the-less, they pay
Council Tax to the GLA.

This would be well and good if they had voted to become Londoners.
They never did. *In 1974 they simply woke up within the GLC.

Actually it was 1965. And I'm not sure it was that much of a surprise.
Further east, Caterham and Warlingham UDC succesfully campaigned to be
left out of Greater London, only to be swallowed up into the
ridiculously named Tandridge District in 1974. Pity really as I would
be entitled to a Freedom Pass by now and our roads would be maintained
to a higher standard than the pathetic Surrey County Council manage.

Peter

On Jun 3, 11:00*am, Peter Heather wrote:
On Jun 3, 9:09*am, e27002 wrote:

On Jun 2, 10:39*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote:
e27002 wrote:
**However, until
1996 the mailing address was CHESSINGTON, Surrey. *And, many residents
think of themselves as part of Surrey. *None-the-less, they pay
Council Tax to the GLA.

This would be well and good if they had voted to become Londoners.
They never did. *In 1974 they simply woke up within the GLC.

Actually it was 1965. And I'm not sure it was that much of a surprise.
Further east, Caterham and Warlingham UDC succesfully campaigned to be
left out of Greater London, only to be swallowed up into the
ridiculously named Tandridge District in 1974. Pity really as I would
be entitled to a Freedom Pass by now and our roads would be maintained
to a higher standard than the pathetic Surrey County Council manage.

But, you would be paying council tax at Surrey rates instead of GLA
rates.

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 03:34:41 -0700 (PDT), e27002
wrote:

On Jun 3, 11:00*am, Peter Heather wrote:
On Jun 3, 9:09*am, e27002 wrote:

On Jun 2, 10:39*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote:
e27002 wrote:
**However, until
1996 the mailing address was CHESSINGTON, Surrey. *And, many residents
think of themselves as part of Surrey. *None-the-less, they pay
Council Tax to the GLA.

This would be well and good if they had voted to become Londoners.
They never did. *In 1974 they simply woke up within the GLC.

Actually it was 1965. And I'm not sure it was that much of a surprise.
Further east, Caterham and Warlingham UDC succesfully campaigned to be
left out of Greater London, only to be swallowed up into the
ridiculously named Tandridge District in 1974. Pity really as I would
be entitled to a Freedom Pass by now and our roads would be maintained
to a higher standard than the pathetic Surrey County Council manage.

But, you would be paying council tax at Surrey rates instead of GLA
rates.

Surrey council tax rates are slightly higher than Sutton:
Surrey:
http://www.surreyheath.gov.uk/ctbene...ciltax1213.htm
Sutton: http://www.sutton.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=9145

On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:39:34 +0100, Recliner
wrote:

On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 03:34:41 -0700 (PDT), e27002
wrote:

On Jun 3, 11:00*am, Peter Heather wrote:
On Jun 3, 9:09*am, e27002 wrote:

On Jun 2, 10:39*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote:
e27002 wrote:
**However, until
1996 the mailing address was CHESSINGTON, Surrey. *And, many residents
think of themselves as part of Surrey. *None-the-less, they pay
Council Tax to the GLA.

Nobody pays council tax to the GLA, it is paid to the local burgh with
the GLA and Met Police taking their cut.

This would be well and good if they had voted to become Londoners.
They never did. *In 1974 they simply woke up within the GLC.

Actually it was 1965. And I'm not sure it was that much of a surprise.
Further east, Caterham and Warlingham UDC succesfully campaigned to be
left out of Greater London, only to be swallowed up into the
ridiculously named Tandridge District in 1974. Pity really as I would
be entitled to a Freedom Pass by now and our roads would be maintained
to a higher standard than the pathetic Surrey County Council manage.

But, you would be paying council tax at Surrey rates instead of GLA
rates.

Surrey council tax rates are slightly higher than Sutton:
Surrey:
http://www.surreyheath.gov.uk/ctbene...ciltax1213.htm
Sutton: http://www.sutton.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=9145

On Jun 3, 11:39*am, Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 03:34:41 -0700 (PDT), e27002

But, you would be paying council tax at Surrey rates instead of GLA
rates.

Surrey council tax rates are slightly higher than Sutton:
Surrey:http://www.surreyheath.gov.uk/ctbene...iltax1213..htm
Sutton:http://www.sutton.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=9145- Hide quoted text -

And Tandridge's council tax (includes Surrey CC's precept) is also
higher, by about 8%, than neighbouring Croydon's. So it seems that
those in Greater London, whether they consider themselves Londoners or
not, get a better service at less cost to themselves than those of us
outside the boundary.

Peter

In message
, at
06:56:04 on Mon, 4 Jun 2012, Peter Heather
remarked:
But, you would be paying council tax at Surrey rates instead of GLA
rates.

Surrey council tax rates are slightly higher than Sutton:
Surrey:http://www.surreyheath.gov.uk/ctbene...ciltax1213.htm
Sutton:http://www.sutton.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=9145- Hide quoted text -

And Tandridge's council tax (includes Surrey CC's precept) is also
higher, by about 8%, than neighbouring Croydon's. So it seems that
those in Greater London, whether they consider themselves Londoners or
not, get a better service at less cost to themselves than those of us
outside the boundary.

It's not surprising there are economies of scale in a dense urban
area, compared to delivering services over an area with a scattered
population.
--
Roland Perry

On 2012\06\04 15:39, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
06:56:04 on Mon, 4 Jun 2012, Peter Heather
remarked:
But, you would be paying council tax at Surrey rates instead of GLA
rates.

Surrey council tax rates are slightly higher than Sutton:
Surrey:http://www.surreyheath.gov.uk/ctbene...ciltax1213.htm

Sutton:http://www.sutton.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=9145- Hide
quoted text -

And Tandridge's council tax (includes Surrey CC's precept) is also
higher, by about 8%, than neighbouring Croydon's. So it seems that
those in Greater London, whether they consider themselves Londoners or
not, get a better service at less cost to themselves than those of us
outside the boundary.

It's not surprising there are economies of scale in a dense urban
area, compared to delivering services over an area with a scattered
population.

So if the Tories have any sense, they will offer the people of Caterham
and Ewell and a few other Tory areas just outside the boundary a
referendum to become part of London, to make sure that the London Mayor
stays Tory.

On Jun 3, 11:00*am, Peter Heather wrote:
On Jun 3, 9:09*am, e27002 wrote:

On Jun 2, 10:39*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote:
e27002 wrote:
**However, until
1996 the mailing address was CHESSINGTON, Surrey. *And, many residents
think of themselves as part of Surrey. *None-the-less, they pay
Council Tax to the GLA.

This would be well and good if they had voted to become Londoners.
They never did. *In 1974 they simply woke up within the GLC.

Actually it was 1965. And I'm not sure it was that much of a surprise.
Further east, Caterham and Warlingham UDC succesfully campaigned to be
left out of Greater London, only to be swallowed up into the
ridiculously named Tandridge District in 1974. Pity really as I would
be entitled to a Freedom Pass by now and our roads would be maintained
to a higher standard than the pathetic Surrey County Council manage.

Not part of the 1975 Local Government re-organizations then?

The new mega boroughs and districts are awful. Bognor Regis is now
run from Littlehampton. Like Littlehampton gives a damn.

We lost the borough of Paddington (to the City of Westminster).
Nonsense, all of it.

"Peter Heather" wrote

Actually it was 1965. And I'm not sure it was that much of a surprise.
Further east, Caterham and Warlingham UDC succesfully campaigned to be
left out of Greater London, only to be swallowed up into the
ridiculously named Tandridge District in 1974. Pity really as I would
be entitled to a Freedom Pass by now and our roads would be maintained
to a higher standard than the pathetic Surrey County Council manage.

Knockholt was put into Greater London in 1965, and managed to get out in
1974.
Ob rail - Knockholt station is not in Knockholt, but (just) in Greater
London.

Peter