When crossrail goes south of the river at woolwich and on from there is
it going to switch to 3rd rail or are they going to put overhead on the
line to Abbey Wood? Or is it all going to be new track anyway after woolwich?

B2003

wrote in message
...
When crossrail goes south of the river at woolwich and on from there is
it going to switch to 3rd rail or are they going to put overhead on the
line to Abbey Wood? Or is it all going to be new track anyway after
woolwich?

Crossrail will have its own tracks to Abbey Wood, which will be 25kV OHLE.
The track diagram in the July MR suggests that there might be some lengths
of dual voltage track, but in normal running Crossrail and Southeastern
trains will keep out of each others' way, and off each others' tracks.
Things would be different if the option to extend Crossrail to Gravesend is
ever taken up.

Peter

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:00:33 +0100
"Peter Masson" wrote:
wrote in message
...
When crossrail goes south of the river at woolwich and on from there is
it going to switch to 3rd rail or are they going to put overhead on the
line to Abbey Wood? Or is it all going to be new track anyway after
woolwich?

Crossrail will have its own tracks to Abbey Wood, which will be 25kV OHLE.
The track diagram in the July MR suggests that there might be some lengths
of dual voltage track, but in normal running Crossrail and Southeastern
trains will keep out of each others' way, and off each others' tracks.

Ok , that makes sense. Pity the whole of crossrail isn't a self contained
system though - then they could run much larger trains , maybe even double
deckers like the RER.

B2003

On Jul 10, 10:07*am, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:00:33 +0100

"Peter Masson" wrote:
wrote in message
...
When crossrail goes south of the river at woolwich and on from there is
it going to switch to 3rd rail or are they going to put overhead on the
line to Abbey Wood? Or is it all going to be new track anyway after
woolwich?

Crossrail will have its own tracks to Abbey Wood, which will be 25kV OHLE.
The track diagram in the July MR suggests that there might be some lengths
of dual voltage track, but in normal running Crossrail and Southeastern
trains will keep out of each others' way, and off each others' tracks.

Ok , that makes sense. Pity the whole of crossrail isn't a self contained
system though - then they could run much larger trains , maybe even double
deckers like the RER.

Bi level cars would only slow dwell times at stations. Twelve car
trains should do the job.

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 04:10:15 -0700 (PDT), 77002
wrote:

On Jul 10, 10:07*am, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:00:33 +0100

"Peter Masson" wrote:
wrote in message
...
When crossrail goes south of the river at woolwich and on from there is
it going to switch to 3rd rail or are they going to put overhead on the
line to Abbey Wood? Or is it all going to be new track anyway after
woolwich?

Crossrail will have its own tracks to Abbey Wood, which will be 25kV OHLE.
The track diagram in the July MR suggests that there might be some lengths
of dual voltage track, but in normal running Crossrail and Southeastern
trains will keep out of each others' way, and off each others' tracks.

Ok , that makes sense. Pity the whole of crossrail isn't a self contained
system though - then they could run much larger trains , maybe even double
deckers like the RER.

Bi level cars would only slow dwell times at stations. Twelve car
trains should do the job.

Yes, though I think the trains will only have 10 cars initially.

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:32:26 +0100
Recliner wrote:
Bi level cars would only slow dwell times at stations. Twelve car

They seem to work pretty well in Paris. But even if they didn't go for
double deckers, wider carraiges would almost certainly be a good idea.

B2003

On Jul 10, 2:39*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:32:26 +0100

Recliner wrote:
Bi level cars would only slow dwell times at stations. *Twelve car

They seem to work pretty well in Paris. But even if they didn't go for
double deckers, wider carraiges would almost certainly be a good idea.

The ability to work through from the main lines at each end is part of
Crossrail's raison d'etre. Wider cars would prevent that from
happening.

Paddinton is some distance from the commercial centers. Crossrail
will save the change at Paddington and take folks straight to the West
End and City. Part of Crossrail's role at Liverpool Street is to
reduce crowding on the main line concourse, and congested access to
TfL's Central line.

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:36:33 -0700 (PDT)
e27002 wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:39=A0pm, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:32:26 +0100

Recliner wrote:
Bi level cars would only slow dwell times at stations. =A0Twelve car

They seem to work pretty well in Paris. But even if they didn't go for
double deckers, wider carraiges would almost certainly be a good idea.

The ability to work through from the main lines at each end is part of
Crossrail's raison d'etre. Wider cars would prevent that from
happening.

Which is why I said "if it was self contained". Though given it'll be
running on the great western there must be some scope for slightly
wider vehicles.

B2003

On Jul 11, 9:38*am, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:36:33 -0700 (PDT)

e27002 wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:39=A0pm, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:32:26 +0100

Recliner wrote:
Bi level cars would only slow dwell times at stations. =A0Twelve car

They seem to work pretty well in Paris. But even if they didn't go for
double deckers, wider carraiges would almost certainly be a good idea.

The ability to work through from the main lines at each end is part of
Crossrail's raison d'etre. *Wider cars would prevent that from
happening.

Which is why I said "if it was self contained". Though given it'll be
running on the great western there must be some scope for slightly
wider vehicles.

If it only involved the GW, I would say look at pushing the guage to
"S" stock size. i.e. Shave a few inches off the platform edges.
However, things would be tougher at the GE end.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 02:06:28 -0700 (PDT), 77002
wrote:

On Jul 11, 9:38*am, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:36:33 -0700 (PDT)

e27002 wrote:
On Jul 10, 2:39=A0pm, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:32:26 +0100

Recliner wrote:
Bi level cars would only slow dwell times at stations. =A0Twelve car

They seem to work pretty well in Paris. But even if they didn't go for
double deckers, wider carraiges would almost certainly be a good idea.

The ability to work through from the main lines at each end is part of
Crossrail's raison d'etre. *Wider cars would prevent that from
happening.

Which is why I said "if it was self contained". Though given it'll be
running on the great western there must be some scope for slightly
wider vehicles.

If it only involved the GW, I would say look at pushing the guage to
"S" stock size. i.e. Shave a few inches off the platform edges.
However, things would be tougher at the GE end.

AFAIR S stock at floor/stepboard level is "normal" width with any
clearance problems generally involving the overthrow of the wider
parts of the body on abnormally sharp curves or of the carriage ends
at floor level on points within platform areas otherwise they are
mostly unrestricted on the NR network which is how they were
delivered.