On 13/09/2012 12:13, d wrote:
On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 04:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
Paul wrote:
Just noticed this on the TfL website

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/bus...d/consult_view

Reason given is that very few (approx 1%) of bus journeys involve a cash fare.

Very few people pay by cash because the *******s at TfL racked up the cash
fare to a ridiculous amount compared to paying by Oyster precisely to
discourage people paying that way. Now they have the gall to say , oh , not
many people want to pay by cash so we'll get rid of that service! Talk about
self serving bull****.

Wow - such vitriole over a policy that was developed to speed up
services in London for those of us who live there! It's not like having
an Oyster card is that much of a hardship, and nor is it like the credit
on it expires if unused.

And before you bring in tourists and occasional travellers, I'm fairly
sure up to date guide books have some decent information about Oyster
and the ability to pay cash fares, at a justifiable premium for the
delay they cause other passengers (80 people on a double decker delayed
for 15 seconds each by someone fumbling for their change is a cumulative
20 minutes waste of time for which they are being charged 95p, or
considerably less than 50% of minimum wage), is going to continue to exist.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:24:02 +0100
Someone Somewhere wrote:
Wow - such vitriole over a policy that was developed to speed up
services in London for those of us who live there! It's not like having

I live there.

an Oyster card is that much of a hardship, and nor is it like the credit
on it expires if unused.

And if you forget it or lose it why should you pay more for the same service?

and the ability to pay cash fares, at a justifiable premium for the
delay they cause other passengers (80 people on a double decker delayed
for 15 seconds each by someone fumbling for their change is a cumulative
20 minutes waste of time for which they are being charged 95p, or
considerably less than 50% of minimum wage), is going to continue to exist.

The only reason there is a delay paying is because of one person operated
buses. Another genius cost cutting idea by TfLs predecessor. No one would
think a train driver collecting fares is a good idea but for some reason
the idea a bus driver should do it passes unremarked.

And I guess you've never seen the fuss when someones Oyster card doesn't work
and they stand there for 5 mins arguing with the driver?

B2003

wrote:

And I guess you've never seen the fuss when someones Oyster card doesn't work
and they stand there for 5 mins arguing with the driver?

Which is one issue that the current policy causes, and a return to allowing
cash fares will solve, particularly where a group is travelling and the
last one to board has a card problem.

Neil
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Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

On 13/09/2012 13:29, Neil Williams wrote:
wrote:

And I guess you've never seen the fuss when someones Oyster card doesn't work
and they stand there for 5 mins arguing with the driver?

Which is one issue that the current policy causes, and a return to allowing
cash fares will solve, particularly where a group is travelling and the
last one to board has a card problem.

Neil


It always seems to happen in the morning when some woman has to fumble
through her purse looking for an Oystercard, and then starts yelling at
the driver when he says that he needs to drive off.

" wrote:

It always seems to happen in the morning when some woman has to fumble
through her purse looking for an Oystercard, and then starts yelling at
the driver when he says that he needs to drive off.

Sounds like the sort of people who get taken aback when they are asked to
pay for their shopping at a supermarket having packed it all, then spend
half an hour finding their cash or card to do so.

Here's an idea for those people - there is a handy little shelf above the
scanning thingy. Put your card/purse/wallet on there ready before starting
to pack and we won't all have to wait for you to faff.

(The lack of tolerance for such faffing is one of the benefits of shopping
at Aldi etc...)

As for the bus, if the driver can take cash, the bus can start moving while
the faffing takes place.

Neil
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Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

On 13/09/2012 21:11, wrote:
On 13/09/2012 13:29, Neil Williams wrote:
wrote:

And I guess you've never seen the fuss when someones Oyster card
doesn't work
and they stand there for 5 mins arguing with the driver?

Which is one issue that the current policy causes, and a return to
allowing
cash fares will solve, particularly where a group is travelling and the
last one to board has a card problem.

Neil


It always seems to happen in the morning when some woman has to fumble
through her purse looking for an Oystercard, and then starts yelling at
the driver when he says that he needs to drive off.

It's amazing how many people stand at the bus stop for 5 minutes and
only remember that they have to pay just as they board the bus.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:20:36 +0100
Tony Dragon wrote:
through her purse looking for an Oystercard, and then starts yelling at
the driver when he says that he needs to drive off.

It's amazing how many people stand at the bus stop for 5 minutes and
only remember that they have to pay just as they board the bus.

Probably the same idiots who get to the supermarket checkout and only then
start excavating their handbags for their purse.

B2003

d writes:

On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:20:36 +0100
Tony Dragon wrote:
through her purse looking for an Oystercard, and then starts yelling at
the driver when he says that he needs to drive off.

It's amazing how many people stand at the bus stop for 5 minutes and
only remember that they have to pay just as they board the bus.

Probably the same idiots who get to the supermarket checkout and only then
start excavating their handbags for their purse.

Or get a statement out of a cash machine and stand there reading it,
oblivious that they are preventing those behind her using the machine.

On 14/09/2012 13:20, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 13/09/2012 21:11, wrote:
On 13/09/2012 13:29, Neil Williams wrote:
wrote:

And I guess you've never seen the fuss when someones Oyster card
doesn't work
and they stand there for 5 mins arguing with the driver?

Which is one issue that the current policy causes, and a return to
allowing
cash fares will solve, particularly where a group is travelling and the
last one to board has a card problem.

Neil


It always seems to happen in the morning when some woman has to fumble
through her purse looking for an Oystercard, and then starts yelling at
the driver when he says that he needs to drive off.

It's amazing how many people stand at the bus stop for 5 minutes and
only remember that they have to pay just as they board the bus.

It really is. Speaks levels about the degrees of self-absorption, if you
ask me.

On 2012-09-14 19:32:08 +0000, said:

On 14/09/2012 13:20, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 13/09/2012 21:11, wrote:
On 13/09/2012 13:29, Neil Williams wrote:
wrote:

And I guess you've never seen the fuss when someones Oyster card
doesn't work
and they stand there for 5 mins arguing with the driver?

Which is one issue that the current policy causes, and a return to
allowing
cash fares will solve, particularly where a group is travelling and the
last one to board has a card problem.

Neil


It always seems to happen in the morning when some woman has to fumble
through her purse looking for an Oystercard, and then starts yelling at
the driver when he says that he needs to drive off.

It's amazing how many people stand at the bus stop for 5 minutes and
only remember that they have to pay just as they board the bus.

It really is. Speaks levels about the degrees of self-absorption, if
you ask me.

It's actually worse than has been stated. It goes like this: get on
bus; look at driver quizzically; fumble in shopping bag for handbag;
open handbag; fumble and locate purse; open that; spend five minutes
gathering shrapnell.

I remember when many London buses had a ticket machine inside the
right-hand leaf of the entrance door, so those with the right money
could bypass the queue for the driver. The really slow ones were the
worst at having a go at 'queue jumpers".