Contactless ('wave-and-pay') payment progress?
 

As per...
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/19976.aspx

---quote---
Contactless debit and credit cards are making life easier. You can
already use them to pay for things wherever you see the contactless
symbol - and towards the end of 2012, you'll be able to use them on
buses as well.
---/quote---

With contactless card payments supposedly coming to other TfL modes in 2013.

It is however four and a bit weeks until "the end of 2012", and I ain't
heard anything about this. Absolutely no point in rushing it and bodging
it of course, but just wondering if anyone else is any the wiser as to
progress on this?

(I wonder if bus capping would work from day one - perhaps not, if the
beginning of Oyster Pre-Pay aka PAYG is taken as an indication.)

Contactless ('wave-and-pay') payment progress?
 

In message , at 01:00:54 on Thu, 29 Nov
2012, Mizter T remarked:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/19976.aspx

---quote---
Contactless debit and credit cards are making life easier. You can
already use them to pay for things wherever you see the contactless
symbol

Only if the equipment's working. The last time I tried to use a
contactless card (just to see if it worked) the cashier apologised that
their contactless terminal wasn't working.

- and towards the end of 2012, you'll be able to use them on buses as
well.
---/quote---

With contactless card payments supposedly coming to other TfL modes in 2013.

It is however four and a bit weeks until "the end of 2012", and I ain't
heard anything about this. Absolutely no point in rushing it and
bodging it of course, but just wondering if anyone else is any the
wiser as to progress on this?

(I wonder if bus capping would work from day one - perhaps not, if the
beginning of Oyster Pre-Pay aka PAYG is taken as an indication.)

I noticed that I now have a second contactless card (not a Barclaycard)
as a result of routine re-issue.
--
Roland Perry

Contactless ('wave-and-pay') payment progress?
 

In message , at 13:12:31 on
Thu, 29 Nov 2012, Paul Corfield remarked:
I have read that card reading speed
specs have had to be relaxed by TfL and also that the security
requirements imposed by the Banks were changed part way through the
development process.

Normally the banks want a random selection of "waves" to be backed up by
a PIN, which is presumably difficult on a bus.

I am also pretty sure that I read somewhere that the initial launch of
the bus product will NOT include capping.

To be fair, until you can cap both tube and bus onto one card, the
market for a bus-only cap is rather small.

I suspect that will depress take up.

Sounds like short term it's another "tourist tax" for people who haven't
got an Oyster.
--
Roland Perry

Contactless ('wave-and-pay') payment progress?
 

We were about to embark at Dover, when (Paul
Corfield) came up to me and whispered:

I assume that whatever is deemed
reasonable for retailers would broadly be OK for bus travel
given a PAYG fare is only £1.35. You'd have to be going some to be
able to rip off anything like a large sum of money ;-)

Additionally, any PayWave card will not be accepted without pin following
a set value being reached in PayWave transactions.

I reached that limit earlier - having spent £19, I then went to
Macdonalds, and my £4 transaction required chip and pin.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

---- If it's below this line, I didn't write it ----

Contactless ('wave-and-pay') payment progress?
 

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:48:50 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

Sounds like short term it's another "tourist tax" for people who haven't
got an Oyster.

Unlike most, a tax nobody *has* to pay.

Richard.

Contactless ('wave-and-pay') payment progress?
 

On 29/11/2012 13:48, Roland Perry wrote:

I am also pretty sure that I read somewhere that the initial launch of
the bus product will NOT include capping.

To be fair, until you can cap both tube and bus onto one card, the
market for a bus-only cap is rather small.

Nonsense. You're speaking from the position of a frequent out-of-town
Tube user. Others are different.

Contactless ('wave-and-pay') payment progress?
 

Mizter T wrote:

Nonsense. You're speaking from the position of a frequent out-of-town
Tube user. Others are different.

The practical issue with it I can see is that you'll need to remove your
card from your wallet as there will tend to be more than one, whereas I at
present just bang my unopened wallet on the reader on the correct
assumption that there is only one card in there (the Oyster) it cares
about.

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

Contactless ('wave-and-pay') payment progress?
 

Paul Corfield wrote:

I know next to nothing about how Pay Wave / EMV card security works.

I think in a not dissimilar way to signatures but without the signature,
IYSWIM. Randomly it seems to decline and request the PIN, which I guess
would prevent someone nicking one and running up a big bill.

However EMV is used for low value transactions by a growing number of
retailers without PIN validation. I assume that whatever is deemed
reasonable for retailers would broadly be OK for bus travel given a
PAYG fare is only £1.35. You'd have to be going some to be able to
rip off anything like a large sum of money ;-)

Stagecoach Lancashire appear to be already taking them, at least on the
Lakes 555. The limit I think is 15 quid per transaction, and there may
well be an unpublished daily cap.

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply.

Contactless ('wave-and-pay') payment progress?
 

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:14:37 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 01:00:54 on Thu, 29 Nov
2012, Mizter T remarked:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/19976.aspx

---quote---
Contactless debit and credit cards are making life easier. You can
already use them to pay for things wherever you see the contactless
symbol

Only if the equipment's working. The last time I tried to use a
contactless card (just to see if it worked) the cashier apologised that
their contactless terminal wasn't working.

My experience particularly in Caffe Nero is that there can be a
reluctance to use the equipment. I have been given the explanation
'It might not work' and responded 'It usually works fine so can we
just try it and see' and it always works.

Contactless ('wave-and-pay') payment progress?
 

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 01:00:54 +0000, Mizter T wrote:

---quote---
Contactless debit and credit cards are making life easier. You can
already use them to pay for things wherever you see the contactless
symbol - and towards the end of 2012, you'll be able to use them on
buses as well.
---/quote---

With contactless card payments supposedly coming to other TfL modes in
2013.

This could be why my attempt to get on a bus this morning caused a bad
BEEP from the machine and the message "more than one card trying to be
used at the same time" - I have in my Oystercard wallet, 1 Oystercard,
and 1 contactless debit card. Am I going to have to use different wallets
now to avoid this? I've only just 'rationalised' my wallet far enough to
have just a debit card, and Oystercard and work entry card with Oystercard
wallet. I'll be pained to change this all again!