Paul Corfield wrote on 14 December 2012 13:38:30 ...

Oh and while we're on this subject please tell me what fool proof
system Paris or Berlin use that prevents exactly the same problem
happening to tourists? Last time I used a bus in Paris I was turfed
off a bus that was short turned. No one told me what I or anyone else
had to do when the next bus turned up.

In Paris, the standard single-journey "t+" ticket is valid for a journey
made up of several bus segments, so presumably you are meant to validate
it again on the next bus, as you would do if you were changing routes.
I'm not sure whether the system would regard that as a breach of the
no-break-of-journey rule on a single route. I suspect it just checks
against the maximum 1.5 hour journey time.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On 14/12/2012 23:30, Paul Corfield wrote:

I don't mind criticism provided it is rooted somewhere in reality and
not drowning in unfounded hyperbole.

In that case, I don't think Usenet is the right place for you


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Paul Corfield wrote on 14 December 2012 23:30:22 ...
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:27:56 +0000, "Richard J."
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote on 14 December 2012 13:38:30 ...

Oh and while we're on this subject please tell me what fool proof
system Paris or Berlin use that prevents exactly the same problem
happening to tourists? Last time I used a bus in Paris I was turfed
off a bus that was short turned. No one told me what I or anyone else
had to do when the next bus turned up.

In Paris, the standard single-journey "t+" ticket is valid for a journey
made up of several bus segments, so presumably you are meant to validate
it again on the next bus, as you would do if you were changing routes.
I'm not sure whether the system would regard that as a breach of the
no-break-of-journey rule on a single route. I suspect it just checks
against the maximum 1.5 hour journey time.

Yes but where I was told this by the evil money grabbing megalomaniacs
that run RATP who just want to steal my tourist Euros? :-)

Huh? These are the money grabbing megalomaniacs that offer you a cash
fare in zone 1 of the equivalent of £1.04 (if you buy a carnet of 10
tickets, othewise £1.39). I can see you were just itching to do a
Boltar if a non-London opportunity arose. :-)

I don't mind criticism provided it is rooted somewhere in reality and
not drowning in unfounded hyperbole.

Unless it's about Paris, apparently. :-)
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

Paul Corfield wrote on 15 December 2012 23:54:30 ...
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:33:11 +0000, "Richard J."
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote on 14 December 2012 23:30:22 ...
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:27:56 +0000, "Richard J."
wrote:

Paul Corfield wrote on 14 December 2012 13:38:30 ...

Oh and while we're on this subject please tell me what fool proof
system Paris or Berlin use that prevents exactly the same problem
happening to tourists? Last time I used a bus in Paris I was turfed
off a bus that was short turned. No one told me what I or anyone else
had to do when the next bus turned up.

In Paris, the standard single-journey "t+" ticket is valid for a journey
made up of several bus segments, so presumably you are meant to validate
it again on the next bus, as you would do if you were changing routes.
I'm not sure whether the system would regard that as a breach of the
no-break-of-journey rule on a single route. I suspect it just checks
against the maximum 1.5 hour journey time.

Yes but where I was told this by the evil money grabbing megalomaniacs
that run RATP who just want to steal my tourist Euros? :-)

Huh? These are the money grabbing megalomaniacs that offer you a cash
fare in zone 1 of the equivalent of £1.04 (if you buy a carnet of 10
tickets, othewise £1.39). I can see you were just itching to do a
Boltar if a non-London opportunity arose. :-)

Oh I am not worthy of out-boltaring Boltar. The Master cannot be
beaten.

I don't mind criticism provided it is rooted somewhere in reality and
not drowning in unfounded hyperbole.

Unless it's about Paris, apparently. :-)

Err there was a smiley you know even though Paris is no better at
telling you what happens to your ticket, in the event of a bus
curtailment, than London is. I am simply pointing out that rules that
cover "unusual" events are rarely overt and rarely published in other
than the main language of the Country in question. The OP was trying
to portray TfL as somehow worse than everywhere else tourists go and
that they were deliberately perpetrating a scam. I am merely
suggesting they're just the same as everywhere else. I'd love to know
where, for example, the English language version of Keio Bus's (of
Tokyo) commercial rules is?!

Agreed. Indeed, my uncertainty about the precise rules in Paris was
because even the French-language explanation on the RATP site was
unclear. I doubt whether it's mentioned at all in the limited
English-language subset - let me have a look .....

Haha! There's a link to a "Ticket t+ information sheet", but it
produces "404 non trouvé"!

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:54:30 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
fare in zone 1 of the equivalent of £1.04 (if you buy a carnet of 10
tickets, othewise £1.39). I can see you were just itching to do a
Boltar if a non-London opportunity arose. :-)

Oh I am not worthy of out-boltaring Boltar. The Master cannot be
beaten.

Quite so. Though some poor fools still don't realise this. Yet.

[strokes white cat]

B2003

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:53:24 +0000
Paul Corfield wrote:
[strokes white cat]

Are you *sure* that's a cat you're stroking? ;-)

It better be - its purring!

B2003