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On 16/03/2013 17:10, Recliner wrote:
D7666 wrote:
On Mar 16, 4:54 pm, Recliner wrote:

I suggest you are both correct but it depends on what you call
platform.

Isn't there a gap there between the train and that northern 'platform'
area, so trains couldn't actually stop in that area (as the tracks are
curving)?

I'll check this coming week but I don't remember there being a gap
larger than a normal curved platform on the other hand I'll concede
I'd never thought about it.

If you look at the diagram captioned 'The New Layout' in
http://www.londonreconnections.com/2...s-blackfriars/, it
looks like the usable platform area does not include the section where the
line curves to connect to the old ramp. The northern end of the actual
platforms is now over the river, whereas it used to be well inland. It
certainly explains why the walk to the platforms from the northern station
entrance is now so long.


What about bus stops within London? Which are the two closest on one
route and which are the two furthest?

What about in other cities?

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On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:00:40 +0000, "
wrote:

On 16/03/2013 17:10, Recliner wrote:
D7666 wrote:
On Mar 16, 4:54 pm, Recliner wrote:

I suggest you are both correct but it depends on what you call
platform.

Isn't there a gap there between the train and that northern 'platform'
area, so trains couldn't actually stop in that area (as the tracks are
curving)?

I'll check this coming week but I don't remember there being a gap
larger than a normal curved platform on the other hand I'll concede
I'd never thought about it.

If you look at the diagram captioned 'The New Layout' in
http://www.londonreconnections.com/2...s-blackfriars/, it
looks like the usable platform area does not include the section where the
line curves to connect to the old ramp. The northern end of the actual
platforms is now over the river, whereas it used to be well inland. It
certainly explains why the walk to the platforms from the northern station
entrance is now so long.


What about bus stops within London? Which are the two closest on one
route and which are the two furthest?

There used to be assorted examples of two immediately adjacent on the
same route where one was for terminating buses.

What about in other cities?

Shortest Distance?
 

On 16/03/2013 21:00, wrote:
On 16/03/2013 17:10, Recliner wrote:
D7666 wrote:
On Mar 16, 4:54 pm, Recliner wrote:

I suggest you are both correct but it depends on what you call
platform.

Isn't there a gap there between the train and that northern 'platform'
area, so trains couldn't actually stop in that area (as the tracks are
curving)?

I'll check this coming week but I don't remember there being a gap
larger than a normal curved platform on the other hand I'll concede
I'd never thought about it.

If you look at the diagram captioned 'The New Layout' in
http://www.londonreconnections.com/2...s-blackfriars/, it
looks like the usable platform area does not include the section where
the
line curves to connect to the old ramp. The northern end of the actual
platforms is now over the river, whereas it used to be well inland. It
certainly explains why the walk to the platforms from the northern
station
entrance is now so long.


What about bus stops within London? Which are the two closest on one
route and which are the two furthest?

What about in other cities?


Shortest, maybe between Surbiton Telephone Exchange & Berrylands Road on
the K2 .

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On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 22:57:51 +0000, Tony Dragon
wrote:

On 16/03/2013 21:00, wrote:
On 16/03/2013 17:10, Recliner wrote:
D7666 wrote:
On Mar 16, 4:54 pm, Recliner wrote:

I suggest you are both correct but it depends on what you call
platform.

Isn't there a gap there between the train and that northern 'platform'
area, so trains couldn't actually stop in that area (as the tracks are
curving)?

I'll check this coming week but I don't remember there being a gap
larger than a normal curved platform on the other hand I'll concede
I'd never thought about it.

If you look at the diagram captioned 'The New Layout' in
http://www.londonreconnections.com/2...s-blackfriars/, it
looks like the usable platform area does not include the section where
the
line curves to connect to the old ramp. The northern end of the actual
platforms is now over the river, whereas it used to be well inland. It
certainly explains why the walk to the platforms from the northern
station
entrance is now so long.


What about bus stops within London? Which are the two closest on one
route and which are the two furthest?

What about in other cities?


Shortest, maybe between Surbiton Telephone Exchange & Berrylands Road on
the K2 .

Er, not in a city but I suspect that is an example of not asking the
correct question.
The prize possibly goes to the stops where buses on the same route in
opposite directions stop in the same place (thus d=0) which ISTR
occurs at several stations where buses pull off the road to stop at
the station door; possibly a disqualification needs to apply if the
stops aren't on the highway but the same effect might be obtained in a
one-way street with limited spare kerb space.

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On 16/03/2013 23:14, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 22:57:51 +0000, Tony Dragon
wrote:

On 16/03/2013 21:00, wrote:
On 16/03/2013 17:10, Recliner wrote:
D7666 wrote:
On Mar 16, 4:54 pm, Recliner wrote:

I suggest you are both correct but it depends on what you call
platform.

Isn't there a gap there between the train and that northern 'platform'
area, so trains couldn't actually stop in that area (as the tracks are
curving)?

I'll check this coming week but I don't remember there being a gap
larger than a normal curved platform on the other hand I'll concede
I'd never thought about it.

If you look at the diagram captioned 'The New Layout' in
http://www.londonreconnections.com/2...s-blackfriars/, it
looks like the usable platform area does not include the section where
the
line curves to connect to the old ramp. The northern end of the actual
platforms is now over the river, whereas it used to be well inland. It
certainly explains why the walk to the platforms from the northern
station
entrance is now so long.


What about bus stops within London? Which are the two closest on one
route and which are the two furthest?

What about in other cities?


Shortest, maybe between Surbiton Telephone Exchange & Berrylands Road on
the K2 .

Er, not in a city but I suspect that is an example of not asking the
correct question.
The prize possibly goes to the stops where buses on the same route in
opposite directions stop in the same place (thus d=0) which ISTR
occurs at several stations where buses pull off the road to stop at
the station door; possibly a disqualification needs to apply if the
stops aren't on the highway but the same effect might be obtained in a
one-way street with limited spare kerb space.


You did say within London & the last time I looked Kingston was a London
Borough.

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On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:00:40 +0000, "
wrote:



What about bus stops within London? Which are the two closest on one
route and which are the two furthest?

Glover Drive between Tesco and Ikea in Edmonton has two bus stops, one
on eaach side of the road, opposite each other.

Both stops are served by route 192 busses in both directions.

There are also a couple of layover stops for route 341 which
terminates here.

Google map at http://goo.gl/maps/Bj0V1.
--
Regards

John

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On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 23:31:34 +0000, Tony Dragon
wrote:

On 16/03/2013 23:14, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 22:57:51 +0000, Tony Dragon
wrote:

On 16/03/2013 21:00, wrote:
On 16/03/2013 17:10, Recliner wrote:
D7666 wrote:
On Mar 16, 4:54 pm, Recliner wrote:

I suggest you are both correct but it depends on what you call
platform.

Isn't there a gap there between the train and that northern 'platform'
area, so trains couldn't actually stop in that area (as the tracks are
curving)?

I'll check this coming week but I don't remember there being a gap
larger than a normal curved platform on the other hand I'll concede
I'd never thought about it.

If you look at the diagram captioned 'The New Layout' in
http://www.londonreconnections.com/2...s-blackfriars/, it
looks like the usable platform area does not include the section where
the
line curves to connect to the old ramp. The northern end of the actual
platforms is now over the river, whereas it used to be well inland. It
certainly explains why the walk to the platforms from the northern
station
entrance is now so long.


What about bus stops within London? Which are the two closest on one
route and which are the two furthest?

What about in other cities?


Shortest, maybe between Surbiton Telephone Exchange & Berrylands Road on
the K2 .

Er, not in a city but I suspect that is an example of not asking the
correct question.
The prize possibly goes to the stops where buses on the same route in
opposite directions stop in the same place (thus d=0) which ISTR
occurs at several stations where buses pull off the road to stop at
the station door; possibly a disqualification needs to apply if the
stops aren't on the highway but the same effect might be obtained in a
one-way street with limited spare kerb space.


You did say within London & the last time I looked Kingston was a London
Borough.

Correct, it's not in a city.

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On 16/03/2013 22:57, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 16/03/2013 21:00, wrote:



What about bus stops within London? Which are the two closest on one
route and which are the two furthest?

What about in other cities?


Shortest, maybe between Surbiton Telephone Exchange & Berrylands Road on
the K2 .

If we're including Bus Stands then I make 3 bus stops within 150m on
Cable Street - Shadwell Fire Station, St Georges Hall Stand & St
Georges Hall.

I think if you chose the right point around there you might find the
highest density of bus stops for a single route (the 100) with the
rather strange meandering route it takes.

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"Tony Dragon" wrote in message
...
On 16/03/2013 21:00, wrote:
On 16/03/2013 17:10, Recliner wrote:
D7666 wrote:
On Mar 16, 4:54 pm, Recliner wrote:

I suggest you are both correct but it depends on what you call
platform.

Isn't there a gap there between the train and that northern 'platform'
area, so trains couldn't actually stop in that area (as the tracks are
curving)?

I'll check this coming week but I don't remember there being a gap
larger than a normal curved platform on the other hand I'll concede
I'd never thought about it.

If you look at the diagram captioned 'The New Layout' in
http://www.londonreconnections.com/2...s-blackfriars/,
it
looks like the usable platform area does not include the section where
the
line curves to connect to the old ramp. The northern end of the actual
platforms is now over the river, whereas it used to be well inland. It
certainly explains why the walk to the platforms from the northern
station
entrance is now so long.


What about bus stops within London? Which are the two closest on one
route and which are the two furthest?

What about in other cities?


Shortest, maybe between Surbiton Telephone Exchange & Berrylands Road on
the K2 .

Leaving aside whether Surbiton is or is in a city, a better candidate is
just a short distance from your suggestion:
Surbiton Station
Claremont Road / Surbiton Station
Going towards Kingston the 281 and K2 stop at both which are either side of
the roundabout and probably about 50 metre apart.

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"MikeS" wrote in message
...
"Tony Dragon" wrote in message
...

What about bus stops within London? Which are the two closest on one
route and which are the two furthest?

What about in other cities?


Shortest, maybe between Surbiton Telephone Exchange & Berrylands Road on
the K2 .

Leaving aside whether Surbiton is or is in a city, a better candidate is
just a short distance from your suggestion:
Surbiton Station
Claremont Road / Surbiton Station
Going towards Kingston the 281 and K2 stop at both which are either side
of the roundabout and probably about 50 metre apart.


Just measured the two Surbiton suggestions on a map. Looks like a dead heat
at about 125 metre!

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On 18/03/2013 09:00, MikeS wrote:
"Tony Dragon" wrote in message
...
On 16/03/2013 21:00, wrote:
On 16/03/2013 17:10, Recliner wrote:
D7666 wrote:
On Mar 16, 4:54 pm, Recliner wrote:

I suggest you are both correct but it depends on what you call
platform.

Isn't there a gap there between the train and that northern 'platform'
area, so trains couldn't actually stop in that area (as the tracks are
curving)?

I'll check this coming week but I don't remember there being a gap
larger than a normal curved platform on the other hand I'll concede
I'd never thought about it.

If you look at the diagram captioned 'The New Layout' in
http://www.londonreconnections.com/2...s-blackfriars/,
it
looks like the usable platform area does not include the section where
the
line curves to connect to the old ramp. The northern end of the actual
platforms is now over the river, whereas it used to be well inland. It
certainly explains why the walk to the platforms from the northern
station
entrance is now so long.


What about bus stops within London? Which are the two closest on one
route and which are the two furthest?

What about in other cities?


Shortest, maybe between Surbiton Telephone Exchange & Berrylands Road on
the K2 .

Leaving aside whether Surbiton is or is in a city, a better candidate is
just a short distance from your suggestion:
Surbiton Station
Claremont Road / Surbiton Station
Going towards Kingston the 281 and K2 stop at both which are either side of
the roundabout and probably about 50 metre apart.



Don't know how I missed that, I use that stop most days, but it would
have to be towards Kingston only, there is no Surbiton Station stop
going towards Hook.

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Tony Dragon wrote

On 18/03/2013 09:00, MikeS wrote:

Leaving aside whether Surbiton is or is in a city, a better
candidate is
just a short distance from your suggestion:
Surbiton Station
Claremont Road / Surbiton Station
Going towards Kingston the 281 and K2 stop at both which are either
side of
the roundabout and probably about 50 metre apart.



Don't know how I missed that, I use that stop most days, but it would

have to be towards Kingston only, there is no Surbiton Station stop
going towards Hook.

Yes there is, it's opposite on Victoria Road.

http://nextbuses.mobi/WebView/BusSto...esults/surbito
n%20rail?currentPage=2

Both are called just Surbiton at that URL though TfL may use a
different name.

--
Mike D

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On 18/03/2013 16:05, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
Tony Dragon wrote

On 18/03/2013 09:00, MikeS wrote:

Leaving aside whether Surbiton is or is in a city, a better
candidate is
just a short distance from your suggestion:
Surbiton Station
Claremont Road / Surbiton Station
Going towards Kingston the 281 and K2 stop at both which are either
side of
the roundabout and probably about 50 metre apart.



Don't know how I missed that, I use that stop most days, but it would

have to be towards Kingston only, there is no Surbiton Station stop
going towards Hook.

Yes there is, it's opposite on Victoria Road.

http://nextbuses.mobi/WebView/BusSto...esults/surbito
n%20rail?currentPage=2

Both are called just Surbiton at that URL though TfL may use a
different name.


Beg to differ, the K2 does not go on Victoria Road; Claremont Road, 1st
road off roundabout, St Marks Hill is it's route.

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Tony Dragon wrote

On 18/03/2013 16:05, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
Tony Dragon wrote

On 18/03/2013 09:00, MikeS wrote:

Leaving aside whether Surbiton is or is in a city, a better
candidate is
just a short distance from your suggestion:
Surbiton Station
Claremont Road / Surbiton Station
Going towards Kingston the 281 and K2 stop at both which are
either
side of the roundabout and probably about 50 metre apart.

Don't know how I missed that, I use that stop most days, but it
would

have to be towards Kingston only, there is no Surbiton Station
stop
going towards Hook.

Yes there is, it's opposite on Victoria Road.


http://nextbuses.mobi/WebView/BusSto...esults/surbito

n%20rail?currentPage=2

Beg to differ, the K2 does not go on Victoria Road; Claremont Road,
1st
road off roundabout, St Marks Hill is its route.

You are of course correct, I was confused by the mention of Hook
whereas the 281 goes to Tolworth.

So the suggestion was for the K2 and 281 stops NN and NC.

And my candidates are (a) that St Marks Hill stop (NN) and stop NP
outside Surbition station southbound only K4

(b) The 71, K3, 465 Victoria Road and Claremont Rd stops NB and NC
northbound to Kingston, stops NK and NP southbound.

Since all the stops are nearly as close to the roundabout as the
planners would permit the distances are likely very similar.

--
Mike D

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On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 02:29:47PM +0000, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

And my candidates are (a) that St Marks Hill stop (NN) and stop NP
outside Surbition station southbound only K4

(b) The 71, K3, 465 Victoria Road and Claremont Rd stops NB and NC
northbound to Kingston, stops NK and NP southbound.

Since all the stops are nearly as close to the roundabout as the
planners would permit the distances are likely very similar.

I propose stops D and E on this map:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/...igh-street.pdf

both used by the 250 and 450 northbound. They're about 75 yards apart.

--
David Cantrell | even more awesome than a panda-fur coat

Godliness is next to Englishness

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David Cantrell wrote in
k:

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 02:29:47PM +0000, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

And my candidates are (a) that St Marks Hill stop (NN) and stop NP
outside Surbition station southbound only K4

(b) The 71, K3, 465 Victoria Road and Claremont Rd stops NB and NC
northbound to Kingston, stops NK and NP southbound.

Since all the stops are nearly as close to the roundabout as the
planners would permit the distances are likely very similar.

I propose stops D and E on this map:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/...nton-heath-hig
h-street.pdf

both used by the 250 and 450 northbound. They're about 75 yards apart.


The RV1 stops below and on Waterloo Bridge at two points quite close
horizontally. In between these two, it has another two stops quite close
to each other in Chicheley Street and York Road. Further east it has two
pretty close in Broadwall and Stamford Street, but in other places it
bumbles along for quite a stretch without stopping.

Peter

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