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I'm in North London and we do not seem to have much snow here, apparently there are problems on the central and metropolitan lines. So whats the snow like were these trains are going? Andy |
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"Andy Coleman" wrote in message om... Hi, I'm in North London and we do not seem to have much snow here, apparently there are problems on the central and metropolitan lines. So whats the snow like were these trains are going? I'd be surprised if there was any. There's none out here in Aylesbury. |
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"Andy Coleman" wrote in message om... Hi, I'm in North London and we do not seem to have much snow here, apparently there are problems on the central and metropolitan lines. So whats the snow like were these trains are going? I'd be surprised if there was any. There's none out here in Aylesbury. Burnt Oak has had a *light* dusting. I live within a mile of Queensbury tube staion but understand (from an email from TfL) the Jubilee Line had no service between Wembley Park & Stanmore "due to adverse weather conditions". Pathetic! -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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"Andy Coleman" wrote in message om... Hi, I'm in North London and we do not seem to have much snow here, apparently there are problems on the central and metropolitan lines. So whats the snow like were these trains are going? I'd be surprised if there was any. There's none out here in Aylesbury. LU say that there are no Met trains to Chesham or Watford and severe delays to Amersham, also delays on the Piccadilly, all caused by "adverse weather". Can't they cope with a normal winter's day, or are conditions really bad? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Coleman writes I'm in North London and we do not seem to have much snow here, apparently there are problems on the central and metropolitan lines. So whats the snow like were these trains are going? There was certainly snow falling heavily in Essex this morning as I drove to work. I was most interested in LBC's 13.00 news item which said that tube bosses admitted they were unprepared for the bad weather and no trains at all ran on the underground during the morning peak. I can't tell you how pleased I was to be reassured that it was only a bad dream ;-) -- Kat Me, Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. |
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I'd be surprised if there was any. There's none out here in Aylesbury. LU say that there are no Met trains to Chesham or Watford and severe delays to Amersham, also delays on the Piccadilly, all caused by "adverse weather". Can't they cope with a normal winter's day, or are conditions really bad? They're really not too bad round here. No, they can't cope with a normal winter's day. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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I'd be surprised if there was any. There's none out here in Aylesbury.
There is now! There's loads. I was off today and there was some just before 11am and some when I got up. -- To reply direct, remove NOSPAM and replace with railwaysonline For Train Information, The Latest News & Best photos around check out the Award Winning Railways Online at http://www.railwaysonline.co.uk "Hating Thames Trains since 2003" |
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Faringdon station closed tonight at around 6:30 due to 'safety' reasons,
it was hard to hear this over the speakers but it seems this was because there was some snow on the end of the platforms, trains were non- stopping, Very rude station staff trying to get people,of the platforms including threating to call the police to remove disgruntled passengers and physically pushing people (who as usual were give no proper explanation) Dave... (Boltar) wrote in m: (Andy Coleman) wrote in message . com... Hi, I'm in North London and we do not seem to have much snow here, apparently there are problems on the central and metropolitan lines. So whats the snow like were these trains are going? A couple of flakes probably blew across the line which this being britain of course means that trains immediately break down, points freeze, rails break and so forth. God help this country if we ever really get severe weather like they have in scandinavia or central & eastern europe. God knows what we'd do. B2003 |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... I'd be surprised if there was any. There's none out here in Aylesbury. There is now! There's loads. I was off today and there was some just before 11am and some when I got up. Nothing on the west side of town in the morning - I was out in the garden! Nothing until the blizzard at 16:40 (apart from a light dusting at 00:30 this morning which had gone by dawn). |
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I can not comment about this particular experience but if a member of staff
asks you to leave the station then you should without fuss. Any questions you have should be addressed when you are outside. The fact that they have to threaten police action is sad. These people who refuse to leave compromise the safety of the staff and other customers. "Dave Bisping" wrote in message 93.157... Faringdon station closed tonight at around 6:30 due to 'safety' reasons, it was hard to hear this over the speakers but it seems this was because there was some snow on the end of the platforms, trains were non- stopping, Very rude station staff trying to get people,of the platforms including threating to call the police to remove disgruntled passengers and physically pushing people (who as usual were give no proper explanation) Dave... (Boltar) wrote in m: (Andy Coleman) wrote in message . com... Hi, I'm in North London and we do not seem to have much snow here, apparently there are problems on the central and metropolitan lines. So whats the snow like were these trains are going? A couple of flakes probably blew across the line which this being britain of course means that trains immediately break down, points freeze, rails break and so forth. God help this country if we ever really get severe weather like they have in scandinavia or central & eastern europe. God knows what we'd do. B2003 |
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Anon wrote: [top posting corrected]
"Dave Bisping" wrote in message 93.157... Faringdon station closed tonight at around 6:30 due to 'safety' reasons, it was hard to hear this over the speakers but it seems this was because there was some snow on the end of the platforms, trains were non- stopping, Very rude station staff trying to get people,of the platforms including threating to call the police to remove disgruntled passengers and physically pushing people (who as usual were give no proper explanation) I can not comment about this particular experience but if a member of staff asks you to leave the station then you should without fuss. Any questions you have should be addressed when you are outside. I don't think you're living in the real world. Consider this: I'm waiting on Farringdon station for a Met train home after a hard day at work. It's cold and snowing. I have a valid ticket which has opened the barrier to let me get to the platform. Suddenly station staff tell me to leave the station without a proper explanation. Are you seriously suggesting I should meekly trudge along the platform, up the stairs and into the street before questioning this? If indeed it was "some snow on the end of the platform" that caused the station to be closed, the travelling public deserves an explanation of why it was too dangerous at Farringdon, but OK at virtually all suburban above-ground platforms, which of course have far more of their platforms uncovered than Farringdon. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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I have a valid ticket which has opened the barrier to
let me get to the platform. Suddenly station staff tell me to leave the station without a proper explanation. Are you seriously suggesting I should meekly trudge along the platform, up the stairs and into the street before questioning this? The passengers at Kings Cross probably thought the same when told to evacuate the station when it was on fire. "Can't see any problem, I'll stay here" Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) Roger |
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I am not saying you do not need an explanation. What I am saying is that if
staff are to effectively evacuate a station then having to justify this with every individual before they leave would take a very long time and therefore increasing the risk of injury. What should happen in a perfect situation is audible announcements should be made letting people know why the station is being closed and member of staff should be at every exit to answer individual questions. I am sure Farringdon suffers like all stations by having there barest minimum of staff. So would not be able to achieve the perfect evacuation. You mention that people were threatened with police action which would indicate to me they were being very unreasonable. Personally I would be polite for a couple of requests then mention the police and leave these people where they stand. I have no interest in risking my own life. Finally I think I do live in the real world. Maybe if you started work at 05.00 in the morning. Having to walk there because there is no transport available at that time. Spending your whole day standing in the cold and being verbally abused for situations you have no control over. Then when you try and consider the safety of your fellow man being given even more abuse. Maybe then you might be more sympathetic towards underground staff and vent your anger at the ones who hold the purse strings and make policy. Obviously you wont see them anywhere near the chaos they have suits and live in offices and seldom ever let people know who they are. "Richard J." wrote in message ... Anon wrote: [top posting corrected] "Dave Bisping" wrote in message 93.157... Faringdon station closed tonight at around 6:30 due to 'safety' reasons, it was hard to hear this over the speakers but it seems this was because there was some snow on the end of the platforms, trains were non- stopping, Very rude station staff trying to get people,of the platforms including threating to call the police to remove disgruntled passengers and physically pushing people (who as usual were give no proper explanation) I can not comment about this particular experience but if a member of staff asks you to leave the station then you should without fuss. Any questions you have should be addressed when you are outside. I don't think you're living in the real world. Consider this: I'm waiting on Farringdon station for a Met train home after a hard day at work. It's cold and snowing. I have a valid ticket which has opened the barrier to let me get to the platform. Suddenly station staff tell me to leave the station without a proper explanation. Are you seriously suggesting I should meekly trudge along the platform, up the stairs and into the street before questioning this? If indeed it was "some snow on the end of the platform" that caused the station to be closed, the travelling public deserves an explanation of why it was too dangerous at Farringdon, but OK at virtually all suburban above-ground platforms, which of course have far more of their platforms uncovered than Farringdon. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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The passengers at Kings Cross probably thought the same when told to evacuate the station when it was on fire. "Can't see any problem, I'll stay here" Given the deaths occurred on the escalator and in the ticket hall, the platforms would seem to have been the safest place to be. John |
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In article , Richard J.
writes I don't think you're living in the real world. Consider this: I'm waiting on Farringdon station for a Met train home after a hard day at work. It's cold and snowing. I have a valid ticket which has opened the barrier to let me get to the platform. Suddenly station staff tell me to leave the station without a proper explanation. Are you seriously suggesting I should meekly trudge along the platform, up the stairs and into the street before questioning this? Yes. You're on private property. If you are asked to leave then you leave. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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"Anon" wrote in message ...
I can not comment about this particular experience but if a member of staff asks you to leave the station then you should without fuss. Any questions you have should be addressed when you are outside. The fact that they have to threaten police action is sad. These people who refuse to leave compromise the safety of the staff and other customers. ********. Lets face it , LU staff always take the easy way out. Instead of getting off their backsides and sweeping the platform its easier for them to just boot everyone out and go have a cup of tea. B2003 |
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In article , Boltar
writes "Anon" wrote in message ... I can not comment about this particular experience but if a member of staff asks you to leave the station then you should without fuss. Any questions you have should be addressed when you are outside. The fact that they have to threaten police action is sad. These people who refuse to leave compromise the safety of the staff and other customers. ********. Lets face it , LU staff always take the easy way out. Instead of getting off their backsides and sweeping the platform its easier for them to just boot everyone out and go have a cup of tea. B2003 You assume that LU staff are issued with brushes and that they are permitted to do that function. Many staff would take further action - most believe passionately about the railway, but the risk of getting sacked for a breach of H&S or causing an accident puts them off so they stick to the book. Yes there are staff who are lazy *******s and good for nothing in LU, but there are in any company. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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In article , Richard J. writes I don't think you're living in the real world. Consider this: I'm waiting on Farringdon station for a Met train home after a hard day at work. It's cold and snowing. I have a valid ticket which has opened the barrier to let me get to the platform. Suddenly station staff tell me to leave the station without a proper explanation. Are you seriously suggesting I should meekly trudge along the platform, up the stairs and into the street before questioning this? Yes. You're on private property. If you are asked to leave then you leave. So if you're in a restaurant quietly waiting for your dinner to arrive at your table, and a waiter asked you to leave, you'd just leave, and ask questions when you were outside? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Anon wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message ... Anon wrote: [top posting corrected] "Dave Bisping" wrote in message 93.157... Faringdon station closed tonight at around 6:30 due to 'safety' reasons, it was hard to hear this over the speakers but it seems this was because there was some snow on the end of the platforms, trains were non- stopping, Very rude station staff trying to get people,of the platforms including threating to call the police to remove disgruntled passengers and physically pushing people (who as usual were give no proper explanation) I can not comment about this particular experience but if a member of staff asks you to leave the station then you should without fuss. Any questions you have should be addressed when you are outside. I don't think you're living in the real world. Consider this: I'm waiting on Farringdon station for a Met train home after a hard day at work. It's cold and snowing. I have a valid ticket which has opened the barrier to let me get to the platform. Suddenly station staff tell me to leave the station without a proper explanation. Are you seriously suggesting I should meekly trudge along the platform, up the stairs and into the street before questioning this? If indeed it was "some snow on the end of the platform" that caused the station to be closed, the travelling public deserves an explanation of why it was too dangerous at Farringdon, but OK at virtually all suburban above-ground platforms, which of course have far more of their platforms uncovered than Farringdon. I am not saying you do not need an explanation. What I am saying is that if staff are to effectively evacuate a station then having to justify this with every individual before they leave would take a very long time and therefore increasing the risk of injury. Which is why the explanation is essential if it's not already obvious. My point was that in the absence of an explanation, it's unrealistic to expect people to obey the instruction "without fuss". What should happen in a perfect situation is audible announcements should be made letting people know why the station is being closed and member of staff should be at every exit to answer individual questions. I am sure Farringdon suffers like all stations by having there barest minimum of staff. So would not be able to achieve the perfect evacuation. I see your point, but any attempt to evacuate a station because there's a bit of snow at the end of the platform is never going to be regarded by passengers as "perfect". You mention that people were threatened with police action It wasn't me. snip Maybe then you might be more sympathetic towards underground staff and vent your anger at the ones who hold the purse strings and make policy. Again, that was Dave Bisping who criticised the staff, not the person (me) whose post you were replying to. If you followed uk.* usenet convention in not top-posting (which I have corrected *again*), you might avoid that confusion. I agree that it's very often the management rather than the front-line staff who need to address the problems that get raised here. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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In article , Richard J.
writes So if you're in a restaurant quietly waiting for your dinner to arrive at your table, and a waiter asked you to leave, you'd just leave, and ask questions when you were outside? -- Yes. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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Andrew P Smith wrote: In article , Richard J. writes So if you're in a restaurant quietly waiting for your dinner to arrive at your table, and a waiter asked you to leave, you'd just leave, and ask questions when you were outside? -- Yes. I must remember that for the next u.l.l. meet :-) |
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writes Andrew P Smith wrote: In article , Richard J. writes So if you're in a restaurant quietly waiting for your dinner to arrive at your table, and a waiter asked you to leave, you'd just leave, and ask questions when you were outside? -- Yes. I must remember that for the next u.l.l. meet :-) Before or after I get my mobile phone out? :-)))) -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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Andrew P Smith wrote: In article , Dave Newt writes Andrew P Smith wrote: In article , Richard J. writes So if you're in a restaurant quietly waiting for your dinner to arrive at your table, and a waiter asked you to leave, you'd just leave, and ask questions when you were outside? -- Yes. I must remember that for the next u.l.l. meet :-) Before or after I get my mobile phone out? :-)))) Oh, just after you arrive you be ideal! |
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In article , Dave Newt
writes Andrew P Smith wrote: In article , Dave Newt writes Andrew P Smith wrote: In article , Richard J. writes So if you're in a restaurant quietly waiting for your dinner to arrive at your table, and a waiter asked you to leave, you'd just leave, and ask questions when you were outside? -- Yes. I must remember that for the next u.l.l. meet :-) Before or after I get my mobile phone out? :-)))) Oh, just after you arrive you be ideal! B'stard!!!!!! ::-))))) -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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"Anon" wrote in
: I am not saying you do not need an explanation. What I am saying is that if staff are to effectively evacuate a station then having to justify this with every individual before they leave would take a very long time and therefore increasing the risk of injury. What should happen in a perfect situation is audible announcements should be made letting people know why the station is being closed and member of staff should be at every exit to answer individual questions. I am sure Farringdon suffers like all stations by having there barest minimum of staff. So would not be able to achieve the perfect evacuation. Fair number of stuff, none really interested in dealing politely with the incident. You mention that people were threatened with police action which would indicate to me they were being very unreasonable. Personally I would be polite for a couple of requests then mention the police and leave these people where they stand. I have no interest in risking my own life. Why ?, define unresonable, personally sitting on a platform for 30mins with no infomation where the next train was, and then being told in no uncertain terms to get off the station. Personally I get more than a little Miffed at this. Finally I think I do live in the real world. Maybe if you started work at 05.00 in the morning. Having to walk there because there is no transport available at that time. Spending your whole day standing in the cold and being verbally abused for situations you have no control over. Then when you try and consider the safety of your fellow man being given even more abuse. Maybe then you might be more sympathetic towards underground staff and vent your anger at the ones who hold the purse strings and make policy. Obviously you wont see them anywhere near the chaos they have suits and live in offices and seldom ever let people know who they are. Unfornatly they are the ones at the 'cutting edge', agreed they get abuse but I'm sorry they themselves do no faviours with the way they treat passengers Dave... |
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"Dave Bisping" wrote in message 93.157... Unfornatly they are the ones at the 'cutting edge', agreed they get abuse but I'm sorry they themselves do no faviours with the way they treat passengers Does it not occur to you that there may not be time for an individual "please" and "thank you" to everyone on the station? It's such arrogant pillocks that get other people killed. |
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"Dave Bisping" wrote in message 93.157... Unfornatly they are the ones at the 'cutting edge', agreed they get abuse but I'm sorry they themselves do no faviours with the way they treat passengers Does it not occur to you that there may not be time for an individual "please" and "thank you" to everyone on the station? Did it not occur to you to read this part of Dave's post that you conveniently snipped: "sitting on a platform for 30mins with no infomation where the next train was, and then being told in no uncertain terms to get off the station. Personally I get more than a little Miffed at this." Why don't you think there wasn't time for a proper explanation of the need to close the station? It's such arrogant pillocks that get other people killed. How, exactly, in the context of this incident? (I agree with you that he's ignorant, but that's because no-one bothered to tell him why the station was closed.) -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Helen Deborah Vecht wrote in message ...
"Richard J." typed I'd be surprised if there was any. There's none out here in Aylesbury. LU say that there are no Met trains to Chesham or Watford and severe delays to Amersham, also delays on the Piccadilly, all caused by "adverse weather". Can't they cope with a normal winter's day, or are conditions really bad? They're really not too bad round here. No, they can't cope with a normal winter's day. Last year when London ground to a halt after a inch of snow I thankfully was waiting for a train just as it started to snow. Starting work at 7am isn't great but at least I was on my way home just at London went over the edge of chaos due to a bit of snow. What I find highly amusing is this year. The media went overboard with warnings and doom stories about the snow and how the whole of UK was set to collapse on itself. Loads of warning for snow that quite frankly didn't arrive when it was due and when it did was just a bit of a a light dusting. But still London Underground managed to collapse on itself. I mean how can London Underground be taken seriously as a transport provider when after loads of warnings about snow coming and when a little bit did come it just keeled over and died on its arse. Up here in Yorkshire where to be honest we didn't have much more snow than London but it was more. All the main roads kept moving and gritting meant no main roads the snow set. And the only accidents because of snow was people in 4x4 vehicles who ignored the big red signs saying "ROAD CLOSED" on dodgy roads and promptly crashed. And of course in true L.U style LU has blamed everyone from the snow to maitanince companies for the problems and of course it self was blameless. But the question to ask is surely L.U. should ensure its contractors and the people resonsible for keeping trains running in the snow were ready for the snow and were caple of dealing with it. Instead of LU moaning and whinging in the press about everyone else screwing up maybe it should make sure that next year when it snows it is sure the trains will still run. |
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"Richard J." wrote in message ...
Anon wrote: [top posting corrected] "Dave Bisping" wrote in message 93.157... Faringdon station closed tonight at around 6:30 due to 'safety' reasons, it was hard to hear this over the speakers but it seems this was because there was some snow on the end of the platforms, trains were non- stopping, Very rude station staff trying to get people,of the platforms including threating to call the police to remove disgruntled passengers and physically pushing people (who as usual were give no proper explanation) I can not comment about this particular experience but if a member of staff asks you to leave the station then you should without fuss. Any questions you have should be addressed when you are outside. I don't think you're living in the real world. Consider this: I'm waiting on Farringdon station for a Met train home after a hard day at work. It's cold and snowing. I have a valid ticket which has opened the barrier to let me get to the platform. Suddenly station staff tell me to leave the station without a proper explanation. Are you seriously suggesting I should meekly trudge along the platform, up the stairs and into the street before questioning this? If indeed it was "some snow on the end of the platform" that caused the station to be closed, the travelling public deserves an explanation of why it was too dangerous at Farringdon, but OK at virtually all suburban above-ground platforms, which of course have far more of their platforms uncovered than Farringdon. So why not just let the people waiting on the platforms get on the trains and not let anyone else into the station? One station closed. No riot. But then that would have been to simple for L.U. And the staff wouldn't been able to have the smug feeling of crapping on someone from above. |
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Lots of people are offering suggestions on how to evacuate a station. As
none of us know the real story in this situation it is pointless to continue to comment. Even if the staff were useless, rude and incompetent the station still needed to be evacuated. It is normal procedure to put people on a train if one is available. The main aim is to clear the station as quickly as possible. To evacuate by train a member of staff would advise the driver of the situation and then both would manually open the doors to let people on. The member of station staff would normally gather everyone together on the platform so they would be put into one carriage. As this can take time asking people to leave may be the quicker option. I think you would find at stations like Highgate staff are more likely to evacuate by train because of the lay out of the station. One thing I do know is that everytime I evacuate a station I learn something new. So lets hope the staff at Farringdon will do better next time. |
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One thing I do know is that everytime I evacuate a station I learn something new. So lets hope the staff at Farringdon will do better next time. Maybe instead of L.U. evacuating stations every 5 seconds they should train their staff better to manage and control situations better. Im sure with all the expertise and experince in the underground they could come up with ways to deal with incidents in a controlled way which instead of causing chaos by evacuating and closing a station can deal with the incident. Taking this example of the ice on Farrigdon platform. Have you ever heard of rock salt? |
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"CJG Now Thankfully Living In The North" wrote in message om... Taking this example of the ice on Farrigdon platform. Have you ever heard of rock salt? Part of the wonders of PPP is the fact that the infrastructure companies are responsible for providing such things as rock-salt. In general, it is far more sensible to carry out a controlled evacuation when there is no immediate threat to injury and then re-open those parts of the station unaffected once controls are introduced. However, controlled evacuations require sufficent staff to carry this out, rather than mininum numbers of staff. |
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"Robin Mayes" wrote in message . ..
"CJG Now Thankfully Living In The North" wrote in message om... Taking this example of the ice on Farrigdon platform. Have you ever heard of rock salt? Part of the wonders of PPP is the fact that the infrastructure companies are responsible for providing such things as rock-salt. Will if the PPP people couldn't do it Im sure using some initiative and a bit of daring someone could have gone and brought some. Or nicked some out of those big plastic bins the council puts by the side of the road full of the stuff? (do you have that in London?) |
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