Freedom Pass - eligibility?
 

On 23/06/2013 16:46, Roland Perry wrote:

But it seems to me that the free buss pass scheme subsidises a very
specific subset of retirees - those who have made the lifestyle choice
to live sufficiently far from the facilities they need to access that
they require a bus, together with there actually being a bus service
they can take advantage of.

Those who made the lifestyle choice to live close enough to the
facilities, such that they don't need to use a bus,

....will use the bus pass to go one stop. While moaning about the hard
working person paying through the nose to travel 5 miles who is using
"their" seat.

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Freedom Pass - eligibility?
 

On 2013-06-23, Roland Perry wrote:
In message

, at 09:13:01 on Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Recliner
remarked:
Roland is using his value judgments to restrict universal
benefits, without appreciating that not everyone shares his values.

Not so much my value judgements, as my interpretation of the value
judgements of those who designed the scheme.

But it seems to me that the free buss pass scheme subsidises a very
specific subset of retirees - those who have made the lifestyle choice
to live sufficiently far from the facilities they need to access that
they require a bus, together with there actually being a bus service
they can take advantage of.

Yes, your value judgements! Like that if a retiree does not live next
door to their doctor's surgery, adequate shops and any other support
they may need then they have made a "lifestyle" choice. What absolute
rubbish!

Eric
--
ms fnd in a lbry

Freedom Pass - eligibility?
 

On 2013-06-23, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 23/06/2013 16:46, Roland Perry wrote:

But it seems to me that the free buss pass scheme subsidises a very
specific subset of retirees - those who have made the lifestyle choice
to live sufficiently far from the facilities they need to access that
they require a bus, together with there actually being a bus service
they can take advantage of.

Those who made the lifestyle choice to live close enough to the
facilities, such that they don't need to use a bus,

...will use the bus pass to go one stop. While moaning about the hard
working person paying through the nose to travel 5 miles who is using
"their" seat.

Idiot! What about those who use the bus to go one stop because they
have no hope of walking that distance? And it IS their seat, there are
designated priority seats for those who would have difficulty standing
for the duration of their journey. Or do you just approve of the fact
that the world is full of mean selfish *******s (like you perhaps?),
hard-working or not, who pretend to be unaware of the world around them
and will only give up a seat if harassed into it, or not even then.

Eric
--
ms fnd in a lbry

Freedom Pass - eligibility?
 

Recliner wrote

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:35:16 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:
[...]
It's called "independently wealthy" and several questionnaires do
recognise the concept.

Not the ones I seem to get. In any case, I wouldn't call myself
wealthy, just that I have enough to generate enough dividend income
to
live on comfortably.


Congratulations, you are a rentier (it's in the dictionary)

Rentier (1847)

A person who lives on income from property or securities

Bertie Wooster ?

--
Mike D

Freedom Pass - eligibility?
 

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:
Recliner wrote

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:35:16 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:
[...]
It's called "independently wealthy" and several questionnaires do
recognise the concept.

Not the ones I seem to get. In any case, I wouldn't call myself
wealthy, just that I have enough to generate enough dividend income
to
live on comfortably.


Congratulations, you are a rentier (it's in the dictionary)

Rentier (1847)

A person who lives on income from property or securities

Bertie Wooster ?

Yes, I agree I probably am, though I can't say I've ever been asked if I
was one. Maybe I should volunteer that in future! Of course, unlike Bertie,
the capital is my savings, not my inheritance.

Freedom Pass - eligibility?
 

On 23/06/2013 19:44, Eric wrote:
On 2013-06-23, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 23/06/2013 16:46, Roland Perry wrote:

But it seems to me that the free buss pass scheme subsidises a very
specific subset of retirees - those who have made the lifestyle choice
to live sufficiently far from the facilities they need to access that
they require a bus, together with there actually being a bus service
they can take advantage of.

Those who made the lifestyle choice to live close enough to the
facilities, such that they don't need to use a bus,

...will use the bus pass to go one stop. While moaning about the hard
working person paying through the nose to travel 5 miles who is using
"their" seat.

Idiot! What about those who use the bus to go one stop because they
have no hope of walking that distance?

Such people will also have to stand because the pass holder is using the
seat. They are A Pensioner You Know, and not some scrounging disabled
person - anyway, that passenger can't really be disabled, else she'd
have a wheelchair. And why would a disabled person be travelling to
work/university/shops, and not just staying at home? And just look at
those **** school **** children. Shouldn't let them on the normal buses,
they **** spoil it for every **** other person with their sitting
quietly reading Metro/books. And did you see the bus driver? They should
send Them all back where They came from. Did anyone see where I put my
copy of the Daily Express?

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Freedom Pass - eligibility?
 

On 23/06/2013 19:32, Eric wrote:
On 2013-06-23, Roland Perry wrote:
In message

, at 09:13:01 on Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Recliner
remarked:
Roland is using his value judgments to restrict universal
benefits, without appreciating that not everyone shares his values.

Not so much my value judgements, as my interpretation of the value
judgements of those who designed the scheme.

But it seems to me that the free buss pass scheme subsidises a very
specific subset of retirees - those who have made the lifestyle choice
to live sufficiently far from the facilities they need to access that
they require a bus, together with there actually being a bus service
they can take advantage of.

Yes, your value judgements! Like that if a retiree does not live next
door to their doctor's surgery, adequate shops and any other support
they may need then they have made a "lifestyle" choice. What absolute
rubbish!

The place someone lives in modern Britain is pretty much a lifestyle
choice. We don't have lords restricting their serfs' movements.

Why does someone who lives near a useful bus route deserve subsidised
bus travel, while someone who doesn't live near a useful bus route
doesn't get subsidised petrol?

(answers may include references to the frequency of buses in urban and
rural areas, the likely voting intentions of urban and rural residents,
and which government introduced the national scheme)

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Freedom Pass - eligibility?
 

On 23/06/2013 15:03, Roland Perry wrote:

In message

, at 08:34:58 on Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Recliner
remarked:
Freedom cards are cheap to administer, but would be a nightmare in your
scheme: they'd have to be renewed annually, with a check that someone
hadn't slipped into or out of the wrong category.

The Taxman, the tax credits man, and enormous numbers of people
administering various benefits manage to do it.

Up to a point.


All it needs is the equivalent to the parental test of "does your child
qualify for free school meals" which is one of those benefits above
which are fine tuned day in and day out (and woe betide anyone whose
child gets one more free meal than they are entitled to).

Freedom Pass - eligibility?
 

On 23/06/2013 12:08, Recliner wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:35:16 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:21:00 on
Sat, 22 Jun 2013, Recliner remarked:
They just don't seem to understand the concept of someone who
lives comfortably off their investments.

It's called "independently wealthy" and several questionnaires do
recognise the concept.

Not the ones I seem to get. In any case, I wouldn't call myself
wealthy, just that I have enough to generate enough dividend income to
live on comfortably.

Others might well call you wealthy though.

Freedom Pass - eligibility?
 

In message , at 19:32:06 on Sun, 23
Jun 2013, Eric remarked:

if a retiree does not live next door to their doctor's surgery,
adequate shops and any other support they may need then they have made
a "lifestyle" choice. What absolute rubbish!

Of course it's a "lifestyle choice". As is deciding to live either near
a bus route or indeed anywhere there are buses at all (more than once a
week on market day).

People in London really have no idea what it's like in the provinces,
when it comes to being provided with transport.
--
Roland Perry