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Speaking of driverless trains, AIUI, the nearest prospect of that
happening in the UK is on the Glasgow Subway.

Are there any concrete plans

What's usually asked for is "concrete steps". Which are not that
uncommon at railway stations, it has to be said.

As recently as 2011, the USA was talking about: "concrete steps
toward enabling the future of human space exploration across the solar
system." Which beats firing people up in rockets I suppose.
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what's all the bolliox about no connecting door, like Siemens have just
invented this.

Other countries have had this for ages

tim

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what's all the bolliox about no connecting door, like Siemens have just
invented this.

Other countries have had this for ages

How many of those are "in use on the London Underground"? London's tube
(sic) lines haven't had wide walk-through gangways, not even on the new
Victoria line trains.

I'm disappointed that the DM hasn't picked up that this would make it
easier for foreign beggars to move through the train...

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what's all the bolliox about no connecting door, like Siemens have just
invented this.

Other countries have had this for ages

How many of those are "in use on the London Underground"? London's tube
(sic) lines haven't had wide walk-through gangways, not even on the new
Victoria line trains.

Didn't plans for the 09ts stipulate walk-through? If so, then what happened?

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what's all the bolliox about no connecting door, like Siemens have just
invented this.

Other countries have had this for ages

How many of those are "in use on the London Underground"? London's tube
(sic) lines haven't had wide walk-through gangways, not even on the new
Victoria line trains.

Didn't plans for the 09ts stipulate walk-through? If so, then what happened?

Metronet happened. They went for a low risk conventional design, as there
was no financial incentive to complete the research project that LU had
previously started. The new articulated trains for the PIcc are essentially
what the 09s for the Victoria line should have been.

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what's all the bolliox about no connecting door, like Siemens have just invented this.

Other countries have had this for ages

Yes, but they've never been available on our small diameter Tube trains.
You need articulated trains to make it possible with narrow body shells. Of
course, it's much easier with full-size trains, even without articulation,
which is why the
S stock and 378s have them.

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what's all the bolliox about no connecting door, like Siemens have just
invented this.

Other countries have had this for ages

Yes, but they've never been available on our small diameter Tube trains.

I don't see why "our" is significant.

If you are trying to say it isn't available on small diameter Tube trains,
then you are wrong

Copenhagen has them and that is most definitely not a large profile tunnel

So what's new here, other than it being new to the UK?

You need articulated trains to make it possible with narrow body shells.

But that's not new either.

All we have here is current technology being brought to the UK 10 years
(plus) after other countries have got it

what's to shout about (from a technology pov)?

tim

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what's all the bolliox about no connecting door, like Siemens have just invented this.

Other countries have had this for ages

Yes, but they've never been available on our small diameter Tube trains.

I don't see why "our" is significant.

It's based on a press release about possible future London Tube trains.
It's not a survey on world Metro systems.

If you are trying to say it isn't available on small diameter Tube
trains, then you are wrong

Copenhagen has them and that is most definitely not a large profile tunnel

Are they articulated?


So what's new here, other than it being new to the UK?

You need articulated trains to make it possible with narrow body shells
..

But that's not new either.

All we have here is current technology being brought to the UK 10 years
(plus) after other countries have got it

what's to shout about (from a technology pov)?

This is based on a press release to tell Londoners about their possible
future trains. It's not an engineering research journal.

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what's all the bolliox about no connecting door, like Siemens have
just invented this.

Other countries have had this for ages

Yes, but they've never been available on our small diameter Tube trains.

I don't see why "our" is significant.

People wanting to get around London generally won't care about elsewhere.

Maybe TfL could try this approach? "We've shut down the Piccadilly line.
People trying to get to Heathrow shouldn't be upset, after all there is
a perfectly good metro in Copenhagen".

If you are trying to say it isn't available on small diameter Tube
trains, then you are wrong

Copenhagen has them and that is most definitely not a large profile tunnel

It's not London tube profile either, from what I remember. More like DLR.

So what's new here, other than it being new to the UK?

On that basis the newspapers may as well not report anything - what is
new apart from the new stuff? (in the specific case of the Daily Mail,
them choosing not to report anything ever again might not be a bad thing).

It is a proposal for a brand new model of train, meeting requirements
which are unique to London in a way which has not been done before.

You need articulated trains to make it possible with narrow body shells.

But that's not new either.

All we have here is current technology being brought to the UK 10 years
(plus) after other countries have got it

what's to shout about (from a technology pov)?

Nowt. Railways were pretty much sorted by about 1830, so nothing to see,
move along now.


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what's all the bolliox about no connecting door, like Siemens have
just invented this.

Other countries have had this for ages

Yes, but they've never been available on our small diameter Tube trains.

I don't see why "our" is significant.

People wanting to get around London generally won't care about elsewhere.

Maybe TfL could try this approach? "We've shut down the Piccadilly line.
People trying to get to Heathrow shouldn't be upset, after all there is
a perfectly good metro in Copenhagen".

It'd be cool if they eventually extended the Copenhagen Metro to Malmö.