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In article ,
(Walter Briscoe) wrote:

I did not penetrate documents as far as finding proposed service
intervals; the current Moorgate 10' service is ineffective for casual
users. Putting the Moorgate - Finsbury Park link back on the Tube map
might be helpful - it was probably there when that service was an
isolated Northern Line service before the 1975 disaster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorgate_tube_crash - similar
considerations apply to Farringdon - Blackfriars.

Not probably but actually. The Northern City line was part of the
Underground before 1975 so was of course on the map. It continued on it for
some time after the transfer to the GN.

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In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 13:21:59 -0500,
wrote:

In article ,
(Walter Briscoe) wrote:

I did not penetrate documents as far as finding proposed service
intervals; the current Moorgate 10' service is ineffective for casual
users. Putting the Moorgate - Finsbury Park link back on the Tube map
might be helpful - it was probably there when that service was an
isolated Northern Line service before the 1975 disaster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorgate_tube_crash - similar
considerations apply to Farringdon - Blackfriars.

Not probably but actually. The Northern City line was part of the
Underground before 1975 so was of course on the map. It continued on it
for some time after the transfer to the GN.

At least 20 years looking at this website of tube maps through the years.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clivebi...tube.html#1986

The Northern City would seem to have vanished from the map around the
turn of the century.

Sounds about right. Didn't Thameslink in central London go at the same time?

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On 06/10/2013 18:18, Paul Corfield wrote:

I'd be tempted to go for a four map approach -

- tube map which just shows LU and DLR.
- TfL rail services map which shows LU, DLR, Overground, Crossrail,
other devolved rail services
- an updated version of the Oyster rail services map which shows all
rail services but with a focus on the terminal they run from.
- a full Rail services map which shows the service patterns run on the
respective networks. This would not be a simple map but it would at
least show the service structure and who runs it. This will be
important with the multiple service patterns through Crossrail and
Thameslink and the residual SWT, Southern and South Eastern routes.

It is debateable whether you would publish all 4 in paper format but
making them available on the web should not be unduly difficult.

Would No2 serve any real transport (rather than political) purpose,
other than perhaps to reassure north Londoners venturing south that
there are some trains which they might be able to understand?

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http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.b...maps/1905.html am I reading Gloster Rd correctly?
Is there a small U that I'm missing? Or is it an abbrev?

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Offramp wrote:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.b...maps/1905.html am I
reading Gloster Rd correctly?
Is there a small U that I'm missing? Or is it an abbrev?

It's more than a "u" that you're missing. It should be Glo[uce]ster Rd. I
wonder if that was a common abbreviation back then?

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,
(Recliner) wrote:

Offramp wrote:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clive.b...maps/1905.html am I
reading Gloster Rd correctly?
Is there a small U that I'm missing? Or is it an abbrev?

It's more than a "u" that you're missing. It should be Glo[uce]ster Rd. I
wonder if that was a common abbreviation back then?

It was. It could also have been an early anti-spam measure. :-)

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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013 13:31:40 +0200, "tim......"
wrote:



The ultimate would be to reinstate the junction near Coppermill Line
to give a Chingford - Stratford direct service. Unfortunately TfL do
not consider this to be viable despite the huge loadings on the buses
which run between Chingford and Stratford via Walthamstow and Leyton.

I am sure there are many, many other examples across London.

We could both be surprised..

I spent the first 20 something years of my life living with a stones throw
of the Wimbledon - W Croydon line (and the next 10 years having to return
frequently as my parents still lived there)

For the for 15 years it was a half hourly service (which was frequently
cancelled) and then to avoid the cancellations they switched it to single
train operation and a useless (and hard to remember) every 40 minutes (or
was it 45?). And all the time there was last train of just after 6 o'clock.

It was flipping useless service, which you couldn't rely on, so almost
no-one used it!

Look at it now

Trams every 10 minutes (or is it more frequent than that?), well into the
lat evening, loads of newly opened stations and the trams run full to
bursting. It's hard to believe that it's the same line. Unfortunately, I
have no need to go there now as both parents are long dead.

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On 06/10/2013 22:36, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 22:24:30 +0100, Arthur Figgis
wrote:

On 06/10/2013 18:18, Paul Corfield wrote:

I'd be tempted to go for a four map approach -

- tube map which just shows LU and DLR.
- TfL rail services map which shows LU, DLR, Overground, Crossrail,
other devolved rail services
- an updated version of the Oyster rail services map which shows all
rail services but with a focus on the terminal they run from.
- a full Rail services map which shows the service patterns run on the
respective networks. This would not be a simple map but it would at
least show the service structure and who runs it. This will be
important with the multiple service patterns through Crossrail and
Thameslink and the residual SWT, Southern and South Eastern routes.

It is debateable whether you would publish all 4 in paper format but
making them available on the web should not be unduly difficult.

Would No2 serve any real transport (rather than political) purpose,
other than perhaps to reassure north Londoners venturing south that
there are some trains which they might be able to understand?

Miaow.

A friend who has lived all her life in Haringey(?) and the City once
phoned me to come and meet her at Wimbledon, where the District Line
runs out before the place she needed to get to.


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On 07/10/2013 18:09, Arthur Figgis wrote:

On 06/10/2013 22:36, Paul Corfield wrote:
[...]
Would No2 serve any real transport (rather than political) purpose,
other than perhaps to reassure north Londoners venturing south that
there are some trains which they might be able to understand?

Miaow.

A friend who has lived all her life in Haringey(?) and the City once
phoned me to come and meet her at Wimbledon, where the District Line
runs out before the place she needed to get to.

Ouch!

Piccadilly (from Manor House / Turnpike Ln) to Finsbury Park, Vic line
to Vauxhall, strange foreign zug to Wimbledon would have been the best
way to get that far, but one can of course come up with a variety of
suggestions to get further into terra (terror?) incognita, inc via the
strange trains from Victoria or keeping it simpler via a change to
Thameslink at KXSP.

You know all this and much much more of course Mr F, just taking
advantage of the opportunity to stretch my braincell.

The dilemma of how best to present such information is just that, to
concur with Paul's earlier ponderings. I'm not sure what would be best,
but what exists at the moment isn't it (the "London’s Rail & Tube
services" map - the combo-effort of TfL and ATOC and successor to the
London Connections map and TfL's separate variation thereof - rather
looks like and awkward graft on of suburban rail services onto the
familiar Tube map).

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In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

On 07/10/2013 18:09, Arthur Figgis wrote:

A friend who has lived all her life in Haringey(?) and the City once
phoned me to come and meet her at Wimbledon, where the District Line
runs out before the place she needed to get to.

Ouch!

Piccadilly (from Manor House / Turnpike Ln) to Finsbury Park, Vic
line to Vauxhall, strange foreign zug to Wimbledon would have been
the best way to get that far, but one can of course come up with a
variety of suggestions to get further into terra (terror?) incognita,
inc via the strange trains from Victoria or keeping it simpler via a
change to Thameslink at KXSP.

You know all this and much much more of course Mr F, just taking
advantage of the opportunity to stretch my braincell.

The TfL Journey planner agrees with you too. 44 minutes from Turnpike Lane.

The dilemma of how best to present such information is just that, to
concur with Paul's earlier ponderings. I'm not sure what would be
best, but what exists at the moment isn't it (the "London_s Rail &
Tube services" map - the combo-effort of TfL and ATOC and successor
to the London Connections map and TfL's separate variation thereof -
rather looks like and awkward graft on of suburban rail services onto
the familiar Tube map).

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Colin Rosenstiel