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M25 River Crossing
As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not
designated as a Motorway? Can I report the Department for Transport to the Advertising Standards Authority for misleadingly describing the M25 as an 'orbital motorway' when the 'orbit' is incomplete? |
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M25 River Crossing
In message , at 13:29:17 on
Sat, 12 Oct 2013, Scott remarked: As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not designated as a Motorway? So that traffic which is prohibited from using motorways can still cross the river. -- Roland Perry |
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On 12/10/2013 14:09, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:29:17 on Sat, 12 Oct 2013, Scott remarked: As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not designated as a Motorway? So that traffic which is prohibited from using motorways can still cross the river. Not so. Pedestrians and cyclists cannot use the crossing in either direction (except as passengers and freight). The Dartford Tunnel was built by Kent and Essex County Councils and was opened to traffic over ten years before any part of M25 was opened and about twenty years before the tunnel approach roads were fully connected to the M25 northbound. A282 was allocated when the tunnel (at that time a single bore) was a standalone facility. |
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In message , at 02:02:41 on Sun, 13
Oct 2013, JNugent remarked: As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not designated as a Motorway? So that traffic which is prohibited from using motorways can still cross the river. Not so. How about "so that a greater proportion of the traffic, viz: several of those classes which are prohibited from using motorways, can still cross the river". Pedestrians and cyclists cannot use the crossing in either direction (except as passengers and freight). And the tunnel operators have special vehicles for the use of cyclists, so the motorway (or not) status is irrelevant as far as they are concerned. Pedestrians are not "traffic". The Dartford Tunnel was built by Kent and Essex County Councils and was opened to traffic over ten years before any part of M25 was opened and about twenty years before the tunnel approach roads were fully connected to the M25 northbound. I'm aware of that, having use it since that single bore opened. However, once the bridge was open it could perhaps have been upgraded to a motorway. Unless, of course, the tunnels are fundamentally not to motorway standards (eg quantity and position of escape exits) in which case perhaps it's simply not allowed. -- Roland Perry |
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On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:58:23 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: Unless, of course, the tunnels are fundamentally not to motorway standards (eg quantity and position of escape exits) in which case perhaps it's simply not allowed. While cycles and pedestrians are not allowed, is other non motorway traffic such as slow motor vehicles perhaps allowed? Neil -- Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply. |
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In message , at
13:46:41 on Sun, 13 Oct 2013, Neil Williams remarked: Unless, of course, the tunnels are fundamentally not to motorway standards (eg quantity and position of escape exits) in which case perhaps it's simply not allowed. While cycles and pedestrians are not allowed, is other non motorway traffic such as slow motor vehicles perhaps allowed? The biggest category is probably learner drivers (who are allowed as far as I can tell). -- Roland Perry |
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On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 02:02:41AM +0100, JNugent wrote:
On 12/10/2013 14:09, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:29:17 on Sat, 12 Oct 2013, Scott remarked: As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not designated as a Motorway? So that traffic which is prohibited from using motorways can still cross the river. Not so. Pedestrians and cyclists cannot use the crossing in either direction And for good reason - fumes in the tunnel, strong winds on the bridge. I believe that learner drivers and tractors can use them though. -- David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice You know you're getting old when you fancy the teenager's parent and ignore the teenager -- Paul M in uknot |
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On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 12:45:54 +0100, David Cantrell
wrote: On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 02:02:41AM +0100, JNugent wrote: On 12/10/2013 14:09, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 13:29:17 on Sat, 12 Oct 2013, Scott remarked: As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not designated as a Motorway? So that traffic which is prohibited from using motorways can still cross the river. Not so. Pedestrians and cyclists cannot use the crossing in either direction They are not supposed to use the M1 either: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...herts-24518094 |
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On 2013\10\12 13:29, Scott wrote:
As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not designated as a Motorway? So that learner drivers and other non-motorway traffic can use it. Can I report the Department for Transport to the Advertising Standards Authority for misleadingly describing the M25 as an 'orbital motorway' when the 'orbit' is incomplete? No, because the North Circular Road and South Circular Road are worse. |
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On Saturday, 12 October 2013 13:29:17 UTC+1, Scott wrote:
As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not designated as a Motorway? Can I report the Department for Transport to the Advertising Standards Authority for misleadingly describing the M25 as an 'orbital motorway' when the 'orbit' is incomplete? The crossing was orignally the joint responsibility of Essex and Kent County Councils who presumably did not have the authority to operate a motorway. I imagine that the legislative framework under which the crossing operates would require changing and this probably isn't worth the expense just to have blue road signs instead of green. |
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