In message , at 09:41:59 on Wed, 20 Nov
2013, d remarked:
I'm not expecting a larger percentage, just that HEx will retain the
existing percentage post-Crossrail.

Seriously?? Come off it. Crossrail will no doubt be really pushing the boat
out on its "express" advertising too. Do you honestly think that given the
choice of 2 express trains - one going to an obscure part of west london,
the other going direct to the centre and the business districts and probably
costing less - that ANYone with any brains will take the former unless they
actually need to get to paddington?

Since when was Crossrail an express?
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Roland Perry

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In message , at
18:38:10 on Sun, 17 Nov 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
Does the rear-of-train exit have lifts? Or do you have to lug your
bags up stairs.

It does on P1 and the ramp from 11/12 but not elsewhere. But if you
are talking air passengers, most of them will have reasonably
manageable luggage.

I disagree. Many will have at least one 50lb suitcase.

really

have you carried a 50lb suitcase

I once maxed out my 20Kg allowance and the result is almost
unmanagable,

few people will be doing this, I assure you

Don't they all have wheels these days?

squishy bags don't, no

Some do.

only by losing the possibility of squishing them in 2 dimensions (they have
a completely rigid back frame to support the wheels and handle

If you know otherwise please pass me a link as I've been looking for one

tim

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:49:07 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:41:59 on Wed, 20 Nov
2013, d remarked:
I'm not expecting a larger percentage, just that HEx will retain the
existing percentage post-Crossrail.

Seriously?? Come off it. Crossrail will no doubt be really pushing the boat
out on its "express" advertising too. Do you honestly think that given the
choice of 2 express trains - one going to an obscure part of west london,
the other going direct to the centre and the business districts and probably
costing less - that ANYone with any brains will take the former unless they
actually need to get to paddington?

Since when was Crossrail an express?

Heathrow to central london in 30 mins is a damn site quicker than the
piccadilly line or HeX+tube/taxi.

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Spud

On 2013-11-19 12:27:39 +0000, said:

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
19:37:26 on Mon, 18 Nov 2013, remarked:
Do they really rebuild stations in this day and age without stepless
access?

They did at Liverpool Street.

Which rebuild is that, surely not the 1991 version?

I presume so.

Although it does of course have escalators (which seems to be regarded
as stepless these days) up to the street from the main concourse.

Go on from there towards Liverpool Street and what do you meet? A set of
steps (down)!

The only level access provided was via Broadgate but I think that is blocked
by Crossrail works at present. It's a helluva way round to get to Old Broad
Street.



There's a ramp at the Eldon St. entrance, isn't there? The one leading
down to the left in http://goo.gl/maps/CW8al?

In article , (Ken
Wheatley) wrote:

On 2013-11-19 12:27:39 +0000, said:

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
19:37:26 on Mon, 18 Nov 2013, remarked:
Do they really rebuild stations in this day and age without stepless
access?

They did at Liverpool Street.

Which rebuild is that, surely not the 1991 version?

I presume so.

Although it does of course have escalators (which seems to be regarded
as stepless these days) up to the street from the main concourse.

Go on from there towards Liverpool Street and what do you meet? A set of
steps (down)!

The only level access provided was via Broadgate but I think that is
blocked by Crossrail works at present. It's a helluva way round to get
to Old Broad Street.

There's a ramp at the Eldon St. entrance, isn't there? The one
leading down to the left in http://goo.gl/maps/CW8al?

I said it was a helluva way round. I checked today. You can't get to
Liverpool Street that way without a very long detour because the area in
front of Broadgate is a Crossrail site. Part of the closure is visible in
the picture.

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Colin Rosenstiel

In article , d
() wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:49:07 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:41:59 on Wed, 20 Nov
2013, d remarked:
I'm not expecting a larger percentage, just that HEx will retain the
existing percentage post-Crossrail.

Seriously?? Come off it. Crossrail will no doubt be really pushing the
boat out on its "express" advertising too. Do you honestly think that
given the choice of 2 express trains - one going to an obscure part of
west london, the other going direct to the centre and the business
districts and probably costing less - that ANYone with any brains will
take the former unless they actually need to get to paddington?

Since when was Crossrail an express?

Heathrow to central london in 30 mins is a damn site quicker than the
piccadilly line or HeX+tube/taxi.

Which would be quicker from King's Cross, Crossrail or tube + HEx?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In article , d
() wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:49:07 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:41:59 on Wed, 20 Nov
2013, d remarked:
I'm not expecting a larger percentage, just that HEx will retain the
existing percentage post-Crossrail.

Seriously?? Come off it. Crossrail will no doubt be really pushing the
boat out on its "express" advertising too. Do you honestly think that
given the choice of 2 express trains - one going to an obscure part of
west london, the other going direct to the centre and the business
districts and probably costing less - that ANYone with any brains will
take the former unless they actually need to get to paddington?

Since when was Crossrail an express?

Heathrow to central london in 30 mins is a damn site quicker than the
piccadilly line or HeX+tube/taxi.

Which would be quicker from King's Cross, Crossrail or tube + HEx?

Around 30 mins with HEx+Tube, 40 mins with Crossrail+Tube and 55 mins via
Piccadilly line. However, the latter is more frequent and involves no
changes, so typical journey times may be more favourable than those numbers
suggest.

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:08:44 -0600, Recliner
wrote:

wrote:

Which would be quicker from King's Cross, Crossrail or tube + HEx?

Around 30 mins with HEx+Tube, 40 mins with Crossrail+Tube and 55 mins via
Piccadilly line. However, the latter is more frequent and involves no
changes, so typical journey times may be more favourable than those numbers
suggest.

I would still expect the Picc Line to do well post Crossrail for
journeys to Heathrow. Your points about frequency and a direct train
to all of the terminals is a definite advantage although the longer
journey time and potential for standing for part of the trip are
downsides.

If you're laden with luggage or encumbered with family then changing
trains is not something you'll be keen on. Going from KX to Heathrow
using Crossrail involves getting to Farringdon (going backwards!) then
having to get to the new ticket hall from the e/b platform (not easy)
then down escalators and then down again to reach Crossrail (if I'm
remembering the layout properly). You then get on a train which may
take you to your terminal at Heathrow or you may need to change at
Heathrow to reach T4 or T5 (can't remember which station CR1 runs to).
There may be more luggage space on a CR train and certainly more seats
and it'll be quick. However passengers hate changing and going via
Farringdon is not necessarily intuitive.

If you were to apply passenger preference weights to each journey I
suspect the Picc Line would win out over Crossrail as people weight
frequency highly and really dislike changing trains and complicated,
lengthy interchanges.

Please note I am talking about normal people not mega buck salary
business people.

Yes, I agree. For anyone with luggage, the direct Piccadilly line seems
much more attractive from KX than than the HEx and Crossrail alternatives.
It's only a few mins longer, and not having to change, and the higher
frequency, are real benefits. The new articulated Picc stock should also be
more spacious and air-conditioned, so should be more comfortable than the
73ts.

I think the District+Picc also wins from Victoria, but the Crossrail route
is certainly better from Liverpool St and probably from Euston, too.

I wonder how those poor bustitutes got on?

In message , at 19:38:45 on Wed, 20 Nov
2013, d remarked:
I'm not expecting a larger percentage, just that HEx will retain the
existing percentage post-Crossrail.

Seriously?? Come off it. Crossrail will no doubt be really pushing the boat
out on its "express" advertising too. Do you honestly think that given the
choice of 2 express trains - one going to an obscure part of west london,
the other going direct to the centre and the business districts and probably
costing less - that ANYone with any brains will take the former unless they
actually need to get to paddington?

Since when was Crossrail an express?

Heathrow to central london in 30 mins is a damn site quicker than the
piccadilly line or HeX+tube/taxi.

What matters to the traveller is perception. Ask them if they'd like to
take a train which is non-stop to London, or ten stops, guess which one
they'll go for.

Remember, this isn't for regular travellers.
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Roland Perry