"Aurora" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 23:09:03 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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On 11/01/2014 22:16, Robert wrote:
Heathrow wasn't in London when first built! My father worked there in
the
early 50s and we lived in Bedfont. Going to London was a major
expedition
involving buses to either Feltham or Hounslow West stations and then the
train.

Where was the boundary between London and other places defined to be in
those days? Was it a 1974 change when the county of Greater London was
created? When the neighbouring counties had boundaries that met close to
central London, where was the boundary of "London" deemed to be, and did
it
gradually change as greenfield sites got filled in?

Greater London was formed in 1965. Prior to that there was, the
almost sane, smaller, London County Council. Prior to 1889 Middlesex
was the county at the heart of England, although only its South
Eastern part was urbanized. IIRC until 1889 the City of London was
outwith any County.

AFIK these 1889 and 1965 are the only times the County of London was
extended. Although Greater London disappeared for a while. It is now
back as a "region" with a peculiar governance structure.

The borders of the Cities and boroughs within the County were also
consolidated into their present monstrous size in 1965. Prior to that
were the human scaled boroughs such as Paddington and St Marylebone.
In those days democracy was closer to the electorate.



They may be monstrous when considering local cohesion, but in terms of
administrative efficiency they are about the right size.

It is the rest of the country with their piddly council areas that have that
wrong

tim

The title of this thread is "Which UK railway station names do you feel are
anomalous?" I'm not sure what this has to do with the history of London's
boundary changes.

There are many inappropriate station names. In London the two most striking
are Clapham Junction which is in Battersea, not Clapham and Willesden
Junction which is in Harlesden.

"Robin9" wrote in message
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tim......;140465 Wrote:
"Aurora" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 23:09:03 -0000, "NY" wrote:
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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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On 11/01/2014 22:16, Robert wrote:
Heathrow wasn't in London when first built! My father worked there in

the
early 50s and we lived in Bedfont. Going to London was a major
expedition
involving buses to either Feltham or Hounslow West stations and then
the
train.-

Where was the boundary between London and other places defined to be in
those days? Was it a 1974 change when the county of Greater London was
created? When the neighbouring counties had boundaries that met close
to
central London, where was the boundary of "London" deemed to be, and did

it
gradually change as greenfield sites got filled in?
-
Greater London was formed in 1965. Prior to that there was, the
almost sane, smaller, London County Council. Prior to 1889 Middlesex
was the county at the heart of England, although only its South
Eastern part was urbanized. IIRC until 1889 the City of London was
outwith any County.

AFIK these 1889 and 1965 are the only times the County of London was
extended. Although Greater London disappeared for a while. It is now
back as a "region" with a peculiar governance structure.

The borders of the Cities and boroughs within the County were also
consolidated into their present monstrous size in 1965. Prior to that
were the human scaled boroughs such as Paddington and St Marylebone.
In those days democracy was closer to the electorate.

-

They may be monstrous when considering local cohesion, but in terms of
administrative efficiency they are about the right size.

It is the rest of the country with their piddly council areas that have
that
wrong

tim

The title of this thread is "Which UK railway station names do you feel
are
anomalous?" I'm not sure what this has to do with the history of
London's
boundary changes.


I didn't start that diversion

someone else did

tim

In message , at 13:31:13 on Sun, 12
Jan 2014, Robin9 remarked:
The title of this thread is "Which UK railway station names do you feel
are anomalous?" I'm not sure what this has to do with the history of
London's boundary changes.

Some names are regarded as anomalous because they don't match
(geographic) boundaries...

There are many inappropriate station names. In London the two most
striking are Clapham Junction which is in Battersea, not Clapham and
Willesden Junction which is in Harlesden.

.... as in those examples you quote.

But if (eg) the border between Battersea and Clapham had changed at some
point, then a discussion arises.
--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 13:31:13 on Sun,
12 Jan 2014, Robin9 remarked:
The title of this thread is "Which UK railway station names do you feel
are anomalous?" I'm not sure what this has to do with the history of
London's boundary changes.

Some names are regarded as anomalous because they don't match
(geographic) boundaries...

There are many inappropriate station names. In London the two most
striking are Clapham Junction which is in Battersea, not Clapham and
Willesden Junction which is in Harlesden.

... as in those examples you quote.

But if (eg) the border between Battersea and Clapham had changed at
some point, then a discussion arises.

Clapham Junction was always the junction /for/ Clapham, that one anyway.
There is another Clapham Junction in England, though.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 13:31:13 on Sun,
12 Jan 2014, Robin9 remarked:
The title of this thread is "Which UK railway station names do you feel
are anomalous?" I'm not sure what this has to do with the history of
London's boundary changes.

Some names are regarded as anomalous because they don't match
(geographic) boundaries...

There are many inappropriate station names. In London the two most
striking are Clapham Junction which is in Battersea, not Clapham and
Willesden Junction which is in Harlesden.

... as in those examples you quote.

But if (eg) the border between Battersea and Clapham had changed at
some point, then a discussion arises.

Clapham Junction was always the junction /for/ Clapham, that one anyway.
There is another Clapham Junction in England, though.

No longer a junction, though.

In article , Roland Perry
writes

There are many inappropriate station names. In London the two most
striking are Clapham Junction which is in Battersea, not Clapham and
Willesden Junction which is in Harlesden.

Why WAS Clapham Junction so called? Neither IN Clapham nor a junction
FOR Clapham. And has it always been one station, or were there
originally two or three stations close together?
--
Bill Borland

On 13/01/2014 20:52, wrote:

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 13:31:13 on Sun,
12 Jan 2014, Robin9 remarked:
The title of this thread is "Which UK railway station names do you feel
are anomalous?" I'm not sure what this has to do with the history of
London's boundary changes.

Some names are regarded as anomalous because they don't match
(geographic) boundaries...

There are many inappropriate station names. In London the two most
striking are Clapham Junction which is in Battersea, not Clapham and
Willesden Junction which is in Harlesden.

... as in those examples you quote.

But if (eg) the border between Battersea and Clapham had changed at
some point, then a discussion arises.

Clapham Junction was always the junction /for/ Clapham, that one anyway.
There is another Clapham Junction in England, though.

I'm fairly sure Clapham Junction was so named because it was deemed more
upmarket than a Battersea derived name. (Same rationale with Willesden Jn.)

"Bill Borland" wrote

Why WAS Clapham Junction so called? Neither IN Clapham nor a junction
FOR Clapham. And has it always been one station, or were there
originally two or three stations close together?

The first station in the area was the LSWR Wandsworth station, sited further
west at the Battersea Rise overbridge. Clapham Junction became a junction
in 1846 when the Windsor lines were opened (initially to Richmond) but no
station was provided at the junction. The West End & Crystal Palace
(forerunner of the LBS&CR route to Victoria) paralleled the LSWR through the
site of Clapham Junction from 1858 to its temporary terminus, named Pimlico,
on the South Bank. The WE&CP had a station named New Wandsworth, adjacent to
the LSWR Wandsworth. Then in 1860 the WE&CP, by then acquired by the LB&SCR
was extended to Victoria.

The West London Extension Railway reached Clapham Junction and the station
there was opened to provide exchange facilities between the LSWR (Main and
Windsor Lines), the LB&SCR, and the WLER. Wandsworth (LSWR) was then closed,
though New Wandsworth (LB&SCR) remained open until 1869. An 1869 photograph
shows the station buildings in the fork between the LSWR Main and Windsor
Lines. The Windsor platforms are out of shot, but in view are
side platform for LSWR Up
LSWR up line
LSWR down line
narrow island platform
LBSCR up relief
LBSCR up main (no platform)
LBSCR down line
wider island platform
WLER northbound line
WLER southbound line
side platform

Peter

On 2014\01\12 12:31, Robin9 wrote:
and Willesden Junction which is in Harlesden.

Nowadays, Willesden is just a suburb some distance from Willesden
Junction, but prior to the 1960s, Willesden was a borough of Middlesex
which included the half of LB Brent which is east of the River Brent,
and so Willesden Junction was in MB Willesden.