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"Mizter T" wrote (If you were to somehow escape Waterloo Tube station without touching-out, and get on to the Waterloo mainline platforms without touching-in, then on arrival at Wimbledon the system would assume you'd arrived on the Underground - of course you would also have made the Waterloo to Wimbledon journey on SWT without a valid ticket.) Suppose you touch in at Kensington Olympia and touch out at Wimbledon. Does the system know whether you've used LUL throughout, via Earls Court, or NR throughout, via Clapham Junction? Does it take account of the day/time and whether the Kensington Olympia - Earls Court service is actually running? Peter |
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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 18:34:26 -0500, wrote: I seem to remember running into that problem trying to do Highbury and Islington to Clapham Junction too. You shouldn't run in to that problem because there are only 3 fares. The default fare is on the TfL tariff and is priced avoiding Zone 1 regardless of which way round you go - via Peckham or via Willesden. As there are through trains there is no way that TfL can determine which route you took which is why the Overground fare is route agnostic for Highbury - Clapham Junction. Even though, if you go via Peckham Rye you do go through Zone 1 at Shoreditch High Street. Peter |
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(Paul Corfield) wrote: *Subject:* London Crossrail to Reading *From:* Paul Corfield *Date:* Fri, 04 Apr 2014 11:00:13 +0100 On Fri, 4 Apr 2014 10:26:35 +0100, "Peter Masson" wrote: "Paul Corfield" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 18:34:26 -0500, wrote: I seem to remember running into that problem trying to do Highbury and Islington to Clapham Junction too. You shouldn't run in to that problem because there are only 3 fares. The default fare is on the TfL tariff and is priced avoiding Zone 1 regardless of which way round you go - via Peckham or via Willesden. As there are through trains there is no way that TfL can determine which route you took which is why the Overground fare is route agnostic for Highbury - Clapham Junction. Even though, if you go via Peckham Rye you do go through Zone 1 at Shoreditch High Street. Absolutely. Short of checking you at precisely the moment the train is in zone 1 what can they do? Providing you have touched in and have a positive PAYG balance or a valid Travelcard and positive PAYG balance what can they do? You're entirely within the rules and it's TfL's decision to have one fare on Overground services regardless of direction. It's impossible to impose an intermediate validation requirement when there is a through train service. You would be in trouble if you had a paper Travelcard season without Zone 1 on it and were checked while within Zone 1. Clearly the system cannot charge you an extension fare on exit when using paper tickets. It's irrelevant with One Day Travelcards as there no versions which exclude Zone 1. If you travel from Highbury to Wandsworth Road then that is priced via Zone 1 as they assume you travel via Peckham. The only cheaper alternative is to travel via Stratford and touching the pink validator there and then resuming the ELL at Whitechapel or Canada Water (no requirement to touch there as, of course, you could simply jump off an overground train, touch, and get back on having gone via SHS anyway!). That's the trouble. I was actually going to Putney, not Clapham Junction I now recall, and that has no Highbury fare not via Zone 1 even though that was the way I went. I'd touched the pink validator at Willesden Junction too. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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(Paul Corfield) wrote: On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 07:15:41 -0500, wrote: That's the trouble. I was actually going to Putney, not Clapham Junction I now recall, and that has no Highbury fare not via Zone 1 even though that was the way I went. I'd touched the pink validator at Willesden Junction too. Well yes you would be caught by that. The alternative is to go on the Overground to West Brompton, change to the District and touch the pink validator on the interchange route and then alight at East Putney (closeish to Putney but possibly not as convenient for you). That is a defined route in the Fares Finder. You have to comply with the Fare Finder in terms of where to change and touch. You can't invent your own route validator touches as it won't align with the ticket routing and charging logic held by gates or validators at the exit station. East Putney would have been as good as Putney as it happens. It didn't occur to me to change at West Brompton for some reason. I think I actually wanted to travel by LO to Clapham Junction. Are you saying that touching the pink validator at Willesden Junction wouldn't be good enough to prove a not-via-Zone 1 route between Highbury & Islington and East Putney? How on earth are passengers meant to know they have to touch a particular pink validator? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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