On 7 Feb 2004, Mait001 wrote:

Just how does a sign stating "Overground Network" which does not, as
far as I can see exist as an entity, help that situation then?

It is normal for any elected body which funds anything to erect a sign
bearing its logo. ON has been used by the Mayor as a sort of logo, so
the purpose of the sign is to let people know that their gratitude for
improvements should not go to the SRA or SWT but to the Mayor. This is
important when people are deciding whether to re-elect him.

1. I thought that Ken was using (or abusing, I should say) the Roundel
for all of his transport ventures - including on London taxis. This new
logo is a waste of space, money and effort and is completely
meaningless.

I reckon it's a dastardly ploy - he tags the scheme with this non-TfL
logo, then ensures it goes distastrously wrong, then pins it all on the
ToCs or something, and so gets more power over the network!

tom

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Michael Jackson had that idea back in the 80s. There was even a ride at Disneyland.

Curiously, reiseauskunft.bahn.de shows 10 departures from Wandsworth
Town between 6 and 7pm which are *definitely* timetabled to run Mondays
to Fridays.

Whether or not they actually run, I couldn't say...

Cya,

Barry

Is that Northbound, Southbound, or both?

Marc.

On 09 Feb 2004 18:59:15 GMT, (Mait001) wrote:

Curiously, reiseauskunft.bahn.de shows 10 departures from Wandsworth
Town between 6 and 7pm which are *definitely* timetabled to run Mondays
to Fridays.

Whether or not they actually run, I couldn't say...

Cya,

Barry

Is that Northbound, Southbound, or both?

Sorry...Should've clarified...That's in both, which should give 5 trains
in each direction.

Cya,

Barry

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Is that Northbound, Southbound, or both?

Sorry...Should've clarified...That's in both, which should give 5 trains
in each direction.

Cya,

Barry


Thanks!

Marc.

(Mait001) wrote the following in:


Clive Page wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to call it the S-bahn? It's a term
understood over large parts of continental Europe; a short term,
easy to read on signs.

No, because then you would get people saying "The damn hun are
invading! Let's kill those bosche *******s! The EU is trying to take
over our brave and noble country! God save the Queen!"

Yes, let's change our official language to German as well!

No doubt it's what our European masters have in store for us at
some future date.....

See what I mean?

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Crime is confusing.

"John Rowland" wrote the
following in:

"The Swift"...

I *like* that.

It's making a promise.

It's making a promise they won't use 313s.

Are 313s particularly bad for reasons other than the fact that their
interior decoration promotes feelings of deep despair? Out of interest,
what are these reasons?

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Crime is confusing.

On 08 Feb 2004 16:56:38 GMT, (Mait001) wrote:

There are six trains an hour timetabled in the evening peak

I too believe in Father Christmas.

although the service interval is a bit
uneven with a 15-minute gap after the 17:02

I have often arrived around 6.30 or 7p.m to find not a SINGLE train listed to
stop at W.T.

You have been unlucky then! My train always stops at Wandsworth Town
(2ph) and the equivalent goiung via Richmond does so also. Therefore
at least 4tph - peak and offpeak.

No doubt it's what our European masters have in store for us at
some future date.....

See what I mean?

--
message by Robin May, enforcer of sod's law.
The Hutton Report is a whitewash! Long live the BBC!

Crime is confusing.

Well, who would have believed, in 1973 that the following would be in store for
us within a few decades:

- criminal prosecutions for selling vegetables in Imperial units
- single currency (admittedly, we dont have it yet, but it will come sooner or
later)
- loss of most of our fishing grounds
- surrender of our agricultural policy
- European Courts overruling purely domestic law
- trans-European arrest warrants
- railway infrastructure separate from operations (a Directive requirement that
ensures even if we wanted it, the railways can never again be united in
ownership)
- abolition of passport controls
- a European anthem (by Beethoeven, a..... German)
- a European flag
- a Europe day
- replacement of national embassies with European ones
- European foreign policy
- majority voting on a whole host of purely national issues

and many many others which on this fine sunny afternoon I have no more time to
list.

Marc.

P.S. Do you really believe the Hutton Report was a whitewash, and that the
B.B.C. were not wholly deserving of criticism for (at best) slipshod reporting
and controls and (at worst) downright dishonesty in the form of Mr. Gilligan's
(now admitted) exaggeration and unfounded source?

I am no supporter of Blur, and I wholeheartedly support the best traditions of
public service broadcasting, but on this one issue, I am afraid, Hutton was
absolutely right

M.

I have often arrived around 6.30 or 7p.m to find not a SINGLE train listed
to
stop at W.T.

You have been unlucky then! My train always stops at Wandsworth Town
(2ph) and the equivalent goiung via Richmond does so also. Therefore
at least 4tph - peak and offpeak.


What is your normal period from Waterloo then?

Marc.

"Overground Network" - just how stupid do the operators (whoever
they happen to be this week, as opposed to last week and next
week) think we are. And, are spening MONEY on this idiocy!

Except that ON is actually a TfL initiative that has been foisted upon
the train operators in some parts of the capital.

In which case, even more idiotic, and another legacy of the fools that
vote for having a Mayor of London and all the munificence that this
has brought.

Are we, passengers (sorry, customers) so stupid as to be unable to
distinguish between the Underground and overground?!

As you almost certainly know, the point of ON is not to distinguish it
from the London Underground, but to show that the station has at
least 4 trains per hour to / from central London (i.e. that it has a
'metro' service, much like the Underground - hence the name). This
is very useful to me because when I'm at a station and I can see the
ON logo I know that I won't be standing at the station for 30 minutes
waiting for a train. If I don't see the logo I will check the timetables
and if necessary take a bus to a different station.

I for one think it's a very good idea from the Greater London Authority,
and it is one of the many reasons that I will be voting for Ken in the
upcoming elections.


Matt Ashby

www.fornogoodreason.org.uk