In message , Mait001
writes

Despite everything that has been said, I still strongly dispute that
there are 4 trains per hour from Waterloo to Wandsworth Town in the
evening peak period.

I wrote:

There aren't four - there are six per hour!

My normal travel time is a bit later: I'd like to know how many trains are
timetabled between 7 and 8p.m.

That's fine, but the evening peak period is generally considered to end
at 7pm, so you are now making a different point to the one you made
before, which was about peak-time travel.

After the peak, instead of 6 trains an hour, you are back to the normal
off-peak frequency of four trains an hour for ON stations, in this case
at 15-minute intervals:

19:02, 19:17, 19:32 and 19:47

The timetable is on the web at:

http://www.swtrains.co.uk/traintimes...3/ITT15s03.pdf

While I can believe that delays or cancellations could be more likely
after the rush hour has finished, I have been keeping an eye on the SWT
website for Wandsworth Town services, and the only disruption I have
seen is the odd 2-minute delay on the occasional service. Most trains
seem to be running on time at their appointed 15-minute intervals.

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Paul Terry

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, Paul Terry wrote:

In message , Arthur Figgis
] writes

On 10 Feb 2004 14:06:33 GMT, (Mait001) wrote:

a European anthem (by Beethoeven, a..... German)

Maybe we should have a nice English tune, like the one for "Oben am
jungen Rhein".

I'm not very clear who Mait001 thinks should write a European anthem

For the last time - THIS IS WHAT THE EUROVISION SONG CONTEST IS FOR!

tom

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In article , ] (Arthur Figgis) wrote:

Since it's German (more correctly S-Bahn), surely it's only used in
Germany,
Austria and Switzerland.

Unless there is a well-hidden Vaduz S-Bahn :-)

Yes - or even Eupen (Belgium). :-)

--
Peter Beale

QJump shows the following:

Waterloo dep 1902 1916 1917 1932 1945 1947
Wandsworth Town arr 1914 2013 1929 1944 2043 1959

HTH,

Barry


Thanks, Barry!

Marc.

I'm not very clear who Mait001 thinks should write a European anthem

We should not have a European anthem.

Nations have anthems, groupings of countries (the U.N., Commonwealth etc.) do
not.

Marc.

My normal travel time is a bit later: I'd like to know how many trains are
timetabled between 7 and 8p.m.

That's fine, but the evening peak period is generally considered to end
at 7pm,

Have you been to Waterloo between 7p.m and 8p.m?!

It certainly looks like peak crowding to me!

Marc.

Mait001 wrote:
I'm not very clear who Mait001 thinks should write a European anthem

We should not have a European anthem.

Nations have anthems, groupings of countries (the U.N., Commonwealth
etc.) do not.


Why not? I think it's disgusting.

John Rowland wrote:
"Matt Ashby" wrote...

This is very useful to me because when I'm at
a station and I can see the ON logo I know that
I won't be standing at the station for 30 minutes
waiting for a train.

You haven't read the small print! I don't know whether this is still the
case, but about 5 years ago, certain South London stations [1] had 4 trains
an hour to London, with alternating 25 minute and 5 minute gaps (or worse).
Sadly, these qualify for the ON logo. The ON concept should revolve around
maximum separation of trains, rather than trains per hour, if it is to
inspire any confidence.

AIUI they don't and it does.

[1] I think it was the Mottingham line, but there are probably several
different lines with this problem.

No, that line had alternating 21 and 9 minute gaps. It's since been
evened up.

I think the line with really big gaps was Orpington via Sydenham Hill
and Beckenham Junction.

ISTR Sutton had 4 trains to London per
hour, but the slow ones got overtaken by the fast ones, making an effective
2 tph frequency to London, but this would also qualify to be an ON station.

Aside from the issue of whether 4 irregular tph qualifies, I think it
depends on line service frequency - extra fast trains wouldn't count.

John Rowland wrote:
"Peter Beale" wrote...
(Clive Page) wrote:

Wouldn't it be better to call it the S-bahn? It's a term understood
over large parts of continental Europe; a short term, easy to read on
signs.

Since it's German (more correctly S-Bahn), surely it's
only used in Germany, Austria and Switzerland.
Paris has its RER, perhaps other continental cities
have the equivalent with appropriate local names.

Copenhagen has the S-tog.

Incidentally, the S in S-Bahn does not stand for surface, suburban or any
equivalent German term. It stands for "Stadt" (city) and relates to the way
an S-Bahn is funded and owned. ISTR the funding arrangements and/or
ownership of an S-Bahn and a U-Bahn are different, and whether a line is
considered to be part of the U-Bahn or the S-Bahn is dependent on its
funding arrangement and/or ownership, and not on whether it is above or
below ground. Therefore calling part of our NR network an "S-Bahn" would
probably mislead Germans rather than enlighten them. I'd like clarification
on the above points from someone...

As Germany has (over the last few years) gained several Stadtbahnen
(light rail lines) which are quite different from S-bahnen, I don't
believe you!

"Aidan Stanger" wrote in message
...
John Rowland wrote:

Incidentally, the S in S-Bahn does not stand for
surface, suburban or any equivalent German term.
It stands for "Stadt" (city) and relates to
the way an S-Bahn is funded and owned.
ISTR the funding arrangements and/or
ownership of an S-Bahn and a U-Bahn are
different, and whether a line is considered
to be part of the U-Bahn or the S-Bahn is
dependent on its funding arrangement
and/or ownership, and not on whether it is
above or below ground. I'd like clarification
on the above points from someone...

As Germany has (over the last few years)
gained several Stadtbahnen (light rail lines)
which are quite different from S-bahnen, I don't
believe you!

Crossposted to MTRE for extra input. Please would someone support or refute
my comments above!

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