On 2014-10-29 13:02:41 +0000, said:

I hope the interior lighting will be nicer on the NTfL than on the
S-series, in any event.

The style of the lighting in the Central Line stock makes it look quite
classy - I think it's the way it is diffused. But I'd go with LED
spots on new stock for the same effect, personally.

Neil
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:53:29 +0000
Recliner wrote:
Yes, I think you're right. In fact, with all the high tech
electronics, I don't think they're expected to. We can already see
that, with the 1992 TS due to be replaced by the NTfL when it's only
about 35 years old.

Plus the fleet has already had all its bogies changed and a lot of the motor
mounts.

same time. As you often point out, the thick walls make them feel
tight inside, and I find the seats very uncomfortable.

I think the seats are just cloth on top of metal or plastic. I suppose they
thought that given the victoria line is a short line with short journeys they
didn't need to bother with a comfortable seat. Pity.

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Spud

In article , d
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 05:40:05 -0500
Recliner wrote:
The venerable A stock was worn out, so the sagging seats had become very
uncomfortable, the ride was poor, the compressors deafening, the windows
leaked, etc. I didn't use them in their heyday, but suspect that they
were nice trains in the 1960s and 70s, just as the S stock is today.

I suspect the chances of any of the modern stock lasting 50 years without
a virtual rebuild (as opposed to a refurb) is close to zero. They're
simply not built as strongly inside or out. The 2009 stock on the victoria
line is already starting to look a bit worn out internally in places.

When the A stock was built, the idea that it would have lasted 50 years was
unimaginable. I think the oldest of the EMU stock it replaced was 35 years
old and the locomotives under 40. Some steam carriage stock my have been as
old (ignoring the special case of the Chesham set).

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Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On 2014-10-29 13:02:41 +0000, said:

I hope the interior lighting will be nicer on the NTfL than on the
S-series, in any event.

The style of the lighting in the Central Line stock makes it look
quite classy - I think it's the way it is diffused. But I'd go with
LED spots on new stock for the same effect, personally.

Will any new stock in future not have LED lights? It's close to a tipping
point.

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Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article ,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

On 2014-10-29 13:02:41 +0000, said:

I hope the interior lighting will be nicer on the NTfL than on the
S-series, in any event.

The style of the lighting in the Central Line stock makes it look
quite classy - I think it's the way it is diffused. But I'd go with
LED spots on new stock for the same effect, personally.

Will any new stock in future not have LED lights? It's close to a tipping
point.

Yes, I'm sure you're right. The NTfL makes extensive use of LEDs, including
green/red illuminated strips on the door edges and white/red LED strips on
the front/back. The internal ad/info panels are also LED screens, so I'm
sure the lights will be, too. One of the aims of the NTfL is to cut energy
use, and LEDs are one small step.

On 29/10/2014 11:09, Neil Williams wrote:
[...]
A huge improvement on the C Stock

Pretty much anything would be better than the C stock.

Class 313s?

Certainly nicer than C-stock. Though I suppose I did grow up with them
(well, the internally identical 507s and 508s) on Merseyrail.

I'd take an LU C stock over a Silverstink 313 any day!

(When LO took over, they started doing bizarre and unknown things such
as cleaning them...)

On 29/10/2014 17:52, wrote:

In article , d
() wrote:

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 05:40:05 -0500
Recliner wrote:
The venerable A stock was worn out, so the sagging seats had become very
uncomfortable, the ride was poor, the compressors deafening, the windows
leaked, etc. I didn't use them in their heyday, but suspect that they
were nice trains in the 1960s and 70s, just as the S stock is today.

I suspect the chances of any of the modern stock lasting 50 years without
a virtual rebuild (as opposed to a refurb) is close to zero. They're
simply not built as strongly inside or out. The 2009 stock on the victoria
line is already starting to look a bit worn out internally in places.

When the A stock was built, the idea that it would have lasted 50 years was
unimaginable. I think the oldest of the EMU stock it replaced was 35 years
old and the locomotives under 40. Some steam carriage stock my have been as
old (ignoring the special case of the Chesham set).


Perhaps no one was as pessimistic as would have proved to be justified
about the lack of willingness of coming governments to invest in the
network...

On 29/10/2014 19:48, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
[...]
Will any new stock in future not have LED lights? It's close to a tipping
point.

Yes, I'm sure you're right. The NTfL makes extensive use of LEDs, including
green/red illuminated strips on the door edges and white/red LED strips on
the front/back. The internal ad/info panels are also LED screens, so I'm
sure the lights will be, too. One of the aims of the NTfL is to cut energy
use, and LEDs are one small step.


They're not a suggestion of bloody moving screens on board is there?
That'd be sure to bring out my inner vandal... (a jury of fellow Tube
users wouldn't convict!)

Mizter T wrote:
On 29/10/2014 19:48, Recliner wrote:

wrote:
[...]
Will any new stock in future not have LED lights? It's close to a tipping
point.

Yes, I'm sure you're right. The NTfL makes extensive use of LEDs, including
green/red illuminated strips on the door edges and white/red LED strips on
the front/back. The internal ad/info panels are also LED screens, so I'm
sure the lights will be, too. One of the aims of the NTfL is to cut energy
use, and LEDs are one small step.


They're not a suggestion of bloody moving screens on board is there?
That'd be sure to bring out my inner vandal... (a jury of fellow Tube
users wouldn't convict!)

The idea is that all the ad panels would be dynamic LED screens (much as
many already are on the escalators), which could switch to info panels to
provide real-time info on station closures, delays, ticket info, etc.
Presumably this also means that they'll be able to display moving ads,
though hopefully silently.

On 29.10.14 14:04, Neil Williams wrote:
On 2014-10-29 12:26:29 +0000, said:

Personally, I think that LUL could have done a bit better from an
aesthetic perspective on the S-series.

In what way?

Neil

I think that the coverings over the lights could have been better,
rather than those flimsy metal covers.

Really, they could have done better on that.