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"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote in message ... In message , michael adams wrote: The stations in question Belsize Park, Camden Town, Goodge Steet, Stockwell, Clapham North, Clapham Common, Clapham South are all deep level tubes running through 11 feet 8 inches (3.56 m) tunnels. The plan envisaged subsequently using the 16.ft 6in diameter shelters as platform spaces, not as "train size" tunnels, as you claim above. No, they weren't. 16'6" is too small for a platform tunnel. There appears to be a misundertanding here. I'm not claiming anything but merely quoting back material from a link posted by spud, " work began in 1940 on building deep level shelters which were envisaged to eventually become the platform tunnels for the express route. http://underground-history.co.uk/shelters.php which contradicts his earlier claim, supposedly based on the same source - quote wrote in message ... Are you autistic? Yes, built to as in straight tunnels of train size /quote I'd originally posted material from Subterranea Brittanica and Wiki which followed the genearally accepted line, that there was no pre-war plan, and it was this, that spud was claiming was nonsense. From the various sources I've studied (*not* just The Web of a Million Lies), the tunnels were explicitly designed as shelters, but put in locations where they could be used as the basis for an express tube after the war. Indeed. The only source which claims otherwise appears to be spud's link quote "As congestion on the Northern Line increased in the '30s, a plan was developed to build a second pair of tunnels in parallel with the Charing Cross branch of the Northern Line http://underground-history.co.uk/shelters.php /quote None of the original material available on the web, or the quoted versions of it at least - the LTPB New Works Programms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Works_Programme or scans of an undated but circa 1942 account of the construction of the tunnels discovered by Mark Bennett and posted on the SB website concerning the "shelters suggest otherwise. ...recently completed" (p 2) ....while on page 3, its explained that they were so arranged as to line and level so as to be incorporated at a later date in a new system of tube tunnels should further developement be necessary. But no mention of any pre-exiting plans at all. The very existence of such an account , which appears to be a supplement from a Civil Engineering journal, the quality of the production etc is somewhat surprising given the circumstances under which it was produced. Presumably it would have had positive propaganda value not only at home to counter claims that not enough was being done but if it fell into enemy hands - the extensive measures the UK Govt takes to protect its own citizens. Even if by that stage, as it turned out thankfully, the worst of the conventional bombing was over Such express tubes were under consideration from 1937 onwards (see http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/victoria.html for some details) Indeed on the route of what became the Victoria line "The first plan which was a recognisable precursor of the Victoria Line appeared in 1937. A new express tube line would run from Victoria to Finsbury Park " whereas for the Northeren Line "After World War II, a 1946 plan for London envisaged providing a completely separate express route under the Northern Line, allowing the Victoria and Finsbury Park route (now called "route 8") to serve new markets" However plans are one thing, obtaining the necessary funding is another which has been the story of the Underground since its inception really. Had the whole thing been constructed during the course of a five year plan using slave labour at the whim of some tyrant then presumably its history wouldn't have been quite so interesting or given so much scope for speculation. and at some times were planned to be capable of carrying mainline stock. So it's not surprising that a 16'6" *non* station tunnel size was chosen. michael adams |