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On 27/03/2015 09:51, d wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:43:06 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 27/03/2015 09:27, d wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 20:04:06 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:28:23 +0000 (UTC),
d wrote:
Pffft. You ever travelled by bus in london in the rush hour? Might as well
walk.

If it was the rush hour, I'd probably use a train instead to get to a
Thameslink station.

And if they hadn't ripped up the track west of Mill Hill East you could
have done.

Actually apart from a couple of small houses which could easily be compulsory
purchased the trackbed is clear all the way to Copthall and a bit beyond.
If LU ever has any spare cash lying around they could do worse than re-extend
back there since its a large housing area plus a sports stadium.


Isn't that the section cut by the construction of the M1 or am I
thinking of the wrong branch?

Copthall is before that section. Beyond that the trackbed is long buried
first under an office block now a housing estate so the M1 isn't the only
obstacle. Google maps gives a nice view.


Your small houses appear to be 2 blocks of 8 flats each and you still
end up the wrong side of the M1. Can't really see the great advantage
of extending to Copthall.


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Graeme Wall
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On 24/03/2015 15:54, Recliner wrote:
- a station connecting to both Euston and King’s Cross, instead of at
King’s Cross only

That seems very sensible. If only they had thought of that when
planning HS2.

But it just occurs to me, perhaps they could add to the new station a
pair of moving walkways connecting Euston with the King's
Cross-St.Pancras complex? This would be greatly appreciated by all
those who currently slog along the uneven pavements, exposed to the
weather, between these two locations. It would also connect
Eurostar/HS1 services and HS2, which currently have this large air gap
between them.


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Clive Page

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In message , at 11:03:54 on Fri, 27
Mar 2015, Clive Page remarked:
- a station connecting to both Euston and King’s Cross, instead of at
King’s Cross only

That seems very sensible. If only they had thought of that when
planning HS2.

But it just occurs to me, perhaps they could add to the new station a
pair of moving walkways connecting Euston with the King's
Cross-St.Pancras complex? This would be greatly appreciated by all
those who currently slog along the uneven pavements, exposed to the
weather, between these two locations. It would also connect
Eurostar/HS1 services and HS2, which currently have this large air gap
between them.

This idea crops up regularly (for as long as I can remember). I think
the problem is the number existing things both above and below the
ground over the route.
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Roland Perry

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On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:34:37 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
Your small houses appear to be 2 blocks of 8 flats each and you still
end up the wrong side of the M1. Can't really see the great advantage
of extending to Copthall.

Not sure where you're looking but they're definately houses.

--
Spud

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On 2015\03\27 12:04, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:03:54 on Fri, 27
Mar 2015, Clive Page remarked:
- a station connecting to both Euston and King’s Cross, instead of at
King’s Cross only

That seems very sensible. If only they had thought of that when
planning HS2.

But it just occurs to me, perhaps they could add to the new station a
pair of moving walkways connecting Euston with the King's
Cross-St.Pancras complex? This would be greatly appreciated by all
those who currently slog along the uneven pavements, exposed to the
weather, between these two locations. It would also connect
Eurostar/HS1 services and HS2, which currently have this large air gap
between them.

This idea crops up regularly (for as long as I can remember). I think
the problem is the number existing things both above and below the
ground over the route.

I'm not sure there's much under Brill Place / Phoenix Road. I wonder if
there would be enough demand for a constant walkway in each direction...
the distance is about half the distance between Gatwick North and South
terminals, so perhaps a shuttle vehicle might have a narrower footprint
and work out both quicker and cheaper. Or maybe a tram, and extend it to
Peckham :-)

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On 27/03/2015 13:04, d wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:34:37 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
Your small houses appear to be 2 blocks of 8 flats each and you still
end up the wrong side of the M1. Can't really see the great advantage
of extending to Copthall.

Not sure where you're looking but they're definately houses.



https://goo.gl/maps/PaOGs The block in the background is right on the
extended line from Mill Hill East.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

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I've walked along that section of abandoned line, and you could squeeze a double track through, although it would pass uncomfortably close to the building. Compulsory purchase the block, rebuild the line, then sell the flats again at a slightly reduced price.

However, Copthall only sees a match once a fortnight and seems to be coping with free shutt buses from Mill Hill Broadway. If you wanted to go all the way to Edgware, you've got the M1 and an industrial estate on the track bed, and they're just in the process of building a small housing development immediately west of the A1/A41.

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On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:43:06 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 27/03/2015 09:27, d wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 20:04:06 +0000
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:28:23 +0000 (UTC),
d wrote:
Pffft. You ever travelled by bus in london in the rush hour? Might as well
walk.

If it was the rush hour, I'd probably use a train instead to get to a
Thameslink station.

And if they hadn't ripped up the track west of Mill Hill East you could
have done.

Actually apart from a couple of small houses which could easily be compulsory
purchased the trackbed is clear all the way to Copthall and a bit beyond.
If LU ever has any spare cash lying around they could do worse than re-extend
back there since its a large housing area plus a sports stadium.


Isn't that the section cut by the construction of the M1 or am I
thinking of the wrong branch?

Much of the remaining (i.e. not prevented by the Green Belt) potential
traffic that existed in the 1930s will have been taken away by Oyster,
Thameslink etc. Boring through the foundations of the M1 now probably
requires a serious reason to provide a second route to/from Edgware
station.

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On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 17:10:52 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 27/03/2015 13:04, d wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:34:37 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
Your small houses appear to be 2 blocks of 8 flats each and you still
end up the wrong side of the M1. Can't really see the great advantage
of extending to Copthall.

Not sure where you're looking but they're definately houses.



https://goo.gl/maps/PaOGs The block in the background is right on the
extended line from Mill Hill East.

Just because they're square doesn't mean they're flats. They're houses. Though
looks like there are 4 in the way, not 2. Even so, still irrelevant in the
scheme of things. Maybe a million or 2 to buy out compared to the cost of the
extension which would probably run to 7 or 8 digits.

--
Spud

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On 30/03/2015 10:55, d wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 17:10:52 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 27/03/2015 13:04, d wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:34:37 +0000
Graeme Wall wrote:
Your small houses appear to be 2 blocks of 8 flats each and you still
end up the wrong side of the M1. Can't really see the great advantage
of extending to Copthall.

Not sure where you're looking but they're definately houses.



https://goo.gl/maps/PaOGs The block in the background is right on the
extended line from Mill Hill East.

Just because they're square doesn't mean they're flats. They're houses. Though
looks like there are 4 in the way, not 2. Even so, still irrelevant in the
scheme of things. Maybe a million or 2 to buy out compared to the cost of the
extension which would probably run to 7 or 8 digits.


Still don't see what you would achieve by extending unless you could get
across the M1 to the main line.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail