Updated Crossrail 2 route protected
 

From
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...ng-development

Extract:

A proposed major infrastructure project, Crossrail 2, moved a step forward
today (24 March 2015) as the government published updated plans to protect
land for its route from conflicting development.

Crossrail 2 is a high frequency, high capacity rail line that would run
between south west and north east London. No decision has yet been taken on
its construction, and the Department for Transport is working with
Transport for London (TfL) and Network Rail on a business case, after the
Chancellor made £2 million available to support this work.

....

Michele Dix, TfL’s Managing Director for Crossrail 2, said: "The confirmed
safeguarding marks a vital step forward in progressing Crossrail 2 which is
significant in providing more rail capacity to support growth in London for
the future, in particular up to 200,000 new homes. We’ll continue
developing the scheme reflecting comments received to date with a public
consultation later this year. We are working hard to deliver Crossrail 2 by
2030."

The updated safeguarded route published today, following a 10-week
consultation, extends from Wimbledon in the south-west to Tottenham Hale
and New Southgate in the north-east. It will replace the previous
directions and will ensure new development does not affect the ability to
build and operate Crossrail 2 in the future.

Under the new Crossrail 2 safeguarding directions, relevant planning
applications in safeguarded areas will be referred to TfL for advice. If
development interferes with Crossrail 2, either a compromise will be
reached or the development will not be allowed.

TfL currently has no plans to compulsorily purchase properties along the
route. Any property or land owner who considers they may be eligible for
statutory blight should seek advice or contact TfL.

The government and TfL have made modifications to the proposed safeguarded
route at Wandsworth Common, Chelsea, Soho Square and Angel to allay public
concerns, after carefully considering the consultation responses. The
updated direction will come into effect from today.

Crossrail 2’s route now passes through the City of Westminster, the London
Boroughs of Barnet, Camden, Enfield, Hackney, Haringey, Islington, Merton,
Wandsworth, and the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea.

Among the most significant changes to the previous safeguarded route a

- a new tunnel entrance south of Tottenham Hale station to take the line
from above to below ground

- a proposed extension to New Southgate

- a station connecting to both Euston and King’s Cross, instead of at
King’s Cross only

- an altered route running from Angel to Tottenham Hale and Seven Sisters
via Dalston Junction, instead of via Hackney Central to Epping

- an altered route running from Victoria to Angel via Tottenham Court Road
instead of via Piccadilly Circus

- an altered route running from Wimbledon to Chelsea via Clapham Junction
and Tooting Broadway, instead of via Putney

Safeguarding is a planning process that enables the government to protect
land needed for long term infrastructure projects from developments that
would prevent them being built or make them more expensive. Safeguarding
does not necessarily prevent developments taking place; it ensures that
when they take place the design can accommodate nationally important
infrastructure.

Updated Crossrail 2 route protected
 

In message
-septem
ber.org, at 15:54:07 on Tue, 24 Mar 2015, Recliner
remarked:

We are working hard to deliver Crossrail 2 by 2030."

So given the track record (groan) of Thameslink 2000, we can expect it
to open in about 2048?
--
Roland Perry

Updated Crossrail 2 route protected
 

Roland Perry wrote:
In message -septem
ber.org, at 15:54:07 on Tue, 24 Mar 2015, Recliner remarked:

We are working hard to deliver Crossrail 2 by 2030."

So given the track record (groan) of Thameslink 2000, we can expect it to
open in about 2048?

Yes, if they're still moving the route around, completion by 2030 seems
highly unlikely. Your guess seems as good as any.

Updated Crossrail 2 route protected
 

So given the track record (groan) of Thameslink 2000, we can expect it to
open in about 2048?

Yes, if they're still moving the route around, completion by 2030 seems
highly unlikely. Your guess seems as good as any.

======================================

To quote from my rule book.

"Expect movement on any track, in any direction at anytime."

Cheers

Roger T.

Updated Crossrail 2 route protected
 

On 2015\03\24 21:04, Roger T. wrote:
So given the track record (groan) of Thameslink 2000, we can expect it to
open in about 2048?

Yes, if they're still moving the route around, completion by 2030 seems
highly unlikely. Your guess seems as good as any.

======================================

To quote from my rule book.

"Expect movement on any track, in any direction at anytime."

Am I the only one who think the Seven Sisters - Alexandra Palace branch
is like an April Fool joke? I might be able to see some sense in it if
they could reopen the abandoned alignment and extend it to Stratford
over existing lines, but as a new build tunnel linking to a line almost
exactly at right angles to it, nuts! What's going on there? Has some
survey determined that there is an unusually high proportion of
transvestite dwarves in that area, a demographic hitherto neglected by
transport planners?

Updated Crossrail 2 route protected
 

On 24/03/2015 21:46, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\03\24 21:04, Roger T. wrote:
So given the track record (groan) of Thameslink 2000, we can expect
it to
open in about 2048?

Yes, if they're still moving the route around, completion by 2030 seems
highly unlikely. Your guess seems as good as any.

======================================

To quote from my rule book.

"Expect movement on any track, in any direction at anytime."

Am I the only one who think the Seven Sisters - Alexandra Palace branch
is like an April Fool joke? I might be able to see some sense in it if
they could reopen the abandoned alignment and extend it to Stratford
over existing lines, but as a new build tunnel linking to a line almost
exactly at right angles to it, nuts! What's going on there? Has some
survey determined that there is an unusually high proportion of
transvestite dwarves in that area, a demographic hitherto neglected by
transport planners?

You've not see the TD-TSI amendment in the fourth railway package, then?

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Updated Crossrail 2 route protected
 

On 2015\03\24 22:00, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 24/03/2015 21:46, Basil Jet wrote:

Am I the only one who think the Seven Sisters - Alexandra Palace branch
is like an April Fool joke? I might be able to see some sense in it if
they could reopen the abandoned alignment and extend it to Stratford
over existing lines, but as a new build tunnel linking to a line almost
exactly at right angles to it, nuts! What's going on there? Has some
survey determined that there is an unusually high proportion of
transvestite dwarves in that area, a demographic hitherto neglected by
transport planners?

You've not see the TD-TSI amendment in the fourth railway package, then?

I have no idea what this means!

Updated Crossrail 2 route protected
 

On 2015\03\24 21:04, Roger T. wrote:

To quote from my rule book.

"Expect movement on any track, in any direction at anytime."

That's a reassuring thought as you do 125 through a converging junction.

Updated Crossrail 2 route protected
 

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 21:46:55 +0000
Basil Jet wrote:
Am I the only one who think the Seven Sisters - Alexandra Palace branch
is like an April Fool joke? I might be able to see some sense in it if

Given how up and coming Muswell Hill is these days and the amount of bus
traffic that crawls around there, I'd suggest re-opening the Highgate to
Alexandra Palace branch wouldn't be a bad idea. The trackbed is still mostly
extant and there could be a shuttle service to highgate high level where pax
could walk down to the main northern line at the low level.

--
Spud

It is one of the several anomalies in London's public transport infrastructure
that Muswell Hill, like Roehampton, has no rail service of any kind. That
abandoned route has now been partly built over (near Muswell Hill Road)
so it is unlikely to be fully reopened.

A more likely candidate for reopening is the route between Highgate and
Finsbury Park which still exists as a popular walkway (aka public footpath)
as far as the ECML. The flyover bridge of course is long gone.

If that route were re-adopted and a bridge re-installed, your long-championed
route via Finsbury Park through Canonbury Tunnel would become feasible.
Obviously the idea would suffer from not-invented-here syndrome as the
so-called experts would immediately poo-poo the proposal.

In the very very long term, London Underground should examine the feasiblity
of a new Underground line starting at Arnos Groves, proceeding via
New Southgate, Muswell Hill, Highgate, Upper Holloway and Camden Road to
Euston and through the centre of London.