Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

Next weekend I'll be travelling from Liverpool St to Cambridge. What
stock does that route use? What does first class get me? Anything? Or is
it like Southern where first class is exactly the same as second but
with an extra sticker on the window and a hankie velcroed to the seat?

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rid of Routemasters
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Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

In message , at 15:48:15
on Mon, 20 Apr 2015, David Cantrell remarked:

Next weekend I'll be travelling from Liverpool St to Cambridge. What
stock does that route use?

Mainly Electrostars. There's the odd 317 mixed in though (during the
week, not sure about weekends).

What does first class get me? Anything? Or is
it like Southern where first class is exactly the same as second but
with an extra sticker on the window and a hankie velcroed to the seat?

Just like Southern.
--
Roland Perry

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 15:48:15 +0100, David Cantrell
wrote:

Next weekend I'll be travelling from Liverpool St to Cambridge. What
stock does that route use? What does first class get me? Anything? Or is
it like Southern where first class is exactly the same as second but
with an extra sticker on the window and a hankie velcroed to the seat?

If you want better 1st class, travel from Kings X perhaps?

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Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

On Monday, 20 April 2015 15:48:18 UTC+1, David Cantrell wrote:
Next weekend I'll be travelling from Liverpool St to Cambridge. What
stock does that route use? What does first class get me? Anything? Or is
it like Southern where first class is exactly the same as second but
with an extra sticker on the window and a hankie velcroed to the seat?

--
David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world

Only some sort of ghastly dehumanised moron would want to get
rid of Routemasters
-- Ken Livingstone, four years before he got rid of 'em

That is also something that really annoys me. Often 1st class is identical to the rest of the train except you have to whisper.

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

In article ,
() wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 15:48:15 +0100, David Cantrell
wrote:

Next weekend I'll be travelling from Liverpool St to Cambridge. What
stock does that route use? What does first class get me? Anything? Or is
it like Southern where first class is exactly the same as second but
with an extra sticker on the window and a hankie velcroed to the seat?

If you want better 1st class, travel from Kings X perhaps?

Is it better though?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
15:48:15 on Mon, 20 Apr 2015, David Cantrell
remarked:

Next weekend I'll be travelling from Liverpool St to Cambridge. What
stock does that route use?

Mainly Electrostars. There's the odd 317 mixed in though (during the
week, not sure about weekends).

Unfortunately not that mainly. It's about half and half, rather depending on
the time of day. The 317s are a rather careworn mix of the /6s which were
quite nicely refurbished for the time by WAGN with 2+2 seating, the
ex-Stansted Express /8s and the /1s whose only redeeming feature is the old
van space at one end which accommodates bikes properly unlike the rest.

GA published a pocket timetable which highlighted the 379 (Electrostar)
workings a few years ago, though only on weekdays. Although they haven't
done so since, the working timetables are still the same. If you look on
Real Train Times you can also work out which are 379s. The 317s are
indicated as such, the 379s just as EMUs. There I see 379 workings on a
Saturday from the start of service up to the 1128, then the 1228, 1328 and
1428, 1458, 1558, 1658. I've not checked later.

What does first class get me? Anything? Or is
it like Southern where first class is exactly the same as second but
with an extra sticker on the window and a hankie velcroed to the seat?

Just like Southern.

I think the 379s' first class is rather nice and better than the 317s. There
was a time in 2012 when First Class Day Returns from Cambridge to Liverpool
St were cheaper than Standard Day Returns to King's Cross so I treated
myself when dealing with my mother's estate.

One advantage of the 379s is the free wifi.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

In article ,
(Offramp) wrote:

On Monday, 20 April 2015 15:48:18 UTC+1, David Cantrell wrote:
Next weekend I'll be travelling from Liverpool St to Cambridge. What
stock does that route use? What does first class get me? Anything? Or is
it like Southern where first class is exactly the same as second but
with an extra sticker on the window and a hankie velcroed to the seat?

That is also something that really annoys me. Often 1st class is
identical to the rest of the train except you have to whisper.

In 317s first class is always 2+2, while standard is a mix of that and 2+3.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

In message , at 12:59:56
on Mon, 20 Apr 2015, remarked:
Next weekend I'll be travelling from Liverpool St to Cambridge. What
stock does that route use? What does first class get me? Anything? Or is
it like Southern where first class is exactly the same as second but
with an extra sticker on the window and a hankie velcroed to the seat?

If you want better 1st class, travel from Kings X perhaps?

Is it better though?

It's got armrests, perhaps, but apart from that... not.
--
Roland Perry

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

On 2015-04-20 17:59:56 +0000, said:

Roland
Perry

[...]

bikes

Oh dear ;)

Neil
--
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Put my first name before the @ to reply.

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 06:12:52PM +0100, wrote:
wrote:
Next weekend I'll be travelling from Liverpool St to Cambridge. What
stock does that route use? What does first class get me? Anything? Or is
it like Southern where first class is exactly the same as second but
with an extra sticker on the window and a hankie velcroed to the seat?
If you want better 1st class, travel from Kings X perhaps?

Meh, the extra time spent getting to King's Cross would negate any
benefit I think, given that I'll be starting my journey at work, which
is spitting distance fro Liverpool St.

Thanks everyone.

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their buying habits are most easily influenced.
-- Marketroid Jesus

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 10:31:31AM -0700, Offramp wrote:
On Monday, 20 April 2015 15:48:18 UTC+1, David Cantrell wrote:
Next weekend I'll be travelling from Liverpool St to Cambridge. What
stock does that route use? What does first class get me? Anything? Or is
it like Southern where first class is exactly the same as second but
with an extra sticker on the window and a hankie velcroed to the seat?
That is also something that really annoys me. Often 1st class is identical to the rest of the train

That certainly appears to be the case on commuter routes.

except you have to whisper.

That's a feature, not a bug. I don't want to hear the hoi polloi
shouting at each other about idiotic footballers, their plastic wives,
and "reality" TV.

--
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Languages for which ISO-Latin-$n is not necessary, #1 in a series:

Latin

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

In message , at 12:04:18 on Tue, 21
Apr 2015, Neil Williams remarked:

Roland
Perry

[...]

bikes

Oh dear ;)

I know. Bikes on trains is one of those hugely unscaleable things about
our transport system.

The Dutch, who can apparently do-no-wrong either with public transport,
or bikes, ban them!!
--
Roland Perry

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at 12:04:18 on Tue, 21
Apr 2015, Neil Williams remarked:

Roland
Perry

[...]

bikes

Oh dear ;)

I know. Bikes on trains is one of those hugely unscaleable things
about our transport system.

The Dutch, who can apparently do-no-wrong either with public
transport, or bikes, ban them!!

Huh? Lots of their trains have proper bike carrying facilities.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

In article ,
(David Cantrell) wrote:

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 06:12:52PM +0100, wrote:
wrote:
Next weekend I'll be travelling from Liverpool St to Cambridge. What
stock does that route use? What does first class get me? Anything? Or
is it like Southern where first class is exactly the same as second but
with an extra sticker on the window and a hankie velcroed to the seat?
If you want better 1st class, travel from Kings X perhaps?

Meh, the extra time spent getting to King's Cross would negate any
benefit I think, given that I'll be starting my journey at work, which
is spitting distance fro Liverpool St.

Thanks everyone.

It's a bit of a toss-up. Only in the peaks would the Liverpool St to
Cambridge service compete in time with going via King's Cross.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

In message , at 14:23:31
on Tue, 21 Apr 2015, remarked:

The Dutch, who can apparently do-no-wrong either with public
transport, or bikes, ban them!!

Huh? Lots of their trains have proper bike carrying facilities.

They do? Bikes are banned on the commuter services in and out of
Amsterdam. Being largely double-decker, there's no obvious place for
bikes to go.
--
Roland Perry

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 13:10:18 UTC+2, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 06:12:52PM +0100, wrote:
wrote:
Next weekend I'll be travelling from Liverpool St to Cambridge. What
stock does that route use? What does first class get me? Anything? Or is
it like Southern where first class is exactly the same as second but
with an extra sticker on the window and a hankie velcroed to the seat?
If you want better 1st class, travel from Kings X perhaps?

Meh, the extra time spent getting to King's Cross would negate any
benefit I think, given that I'll be starting my journey at work, which
is spitting distance fro Liverpool St.

Unless something has changed recently, the fastest way to get from Liverpool St to Cambridge is to get the Underground to King's Cross and take the next non-stop train.

Robin

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

In article ,
() wrote:

On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 13:10:18 UTC+2, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 06:12:52PM +0100, wrote:
wrote:
Next weekend I'll be travelling from Liverpool St to Cambridge. What
stock does that route use? What does first class get me? Anything? Or
is it like Southern where first class is exactly the same as second
but with an extra sticker on the window and a hankie velcroed to the
seat?
If you want better 1st class, travel from Kings X perhaps?

Meh, the extra time spent getting to King's Cross would negate any
benefit I think, given that I'll be starting my journey at work, which
is spitting distance fro Liverpool St.

Unless something has changed recently, the fastest way to get from
Liverpool St to Cambridge is to get the Underground to King's Cross
and take the next non-stop train.

It slightly depends. The xx:07 & xx:37 services from LST compete better.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

In message , at
03:06:12 on Thu, 23 Apr 2015, remarked:
Next weekend I'll be travelling from Liverpool St to Cambridge. What
stock does that route use? What does first class get me? Anything? Or is
it like Southern where first class is exactly the same as second but
with an extra sticker on the window and a hankie velcroed to the seat?
If you want better 1st class, travel from Kings X perhaps?

Meh, the extra time spent getting to King's Cross would negate any
benefit I think, given that I'll be starting my journey at work, which
is spitting distance fro Liverpool St.

Unless something has changed recently, the fastest way to get from Liverpool
St to Cambridge is to get the Underground to King's Cross and take the next
non-stop train.

It depends what time-in-the-hour you are starting from Liverpool St. If
you've just missed a train from LST then head for Kings Cross, but there
comes a point when doing that means you'll miss the next fast from KGX
which will add half an hour to your journey time. In those circumstances
stay at LST and get the next train from there.

However, the tipping points are sensitive to how long you think the
transfer is going to take. The longer you have to wait for a tube
train, and the longer you allow to get from the St Pancras tube station
to the GN train, the less useful it is to attempt the transfer.

Trains times also differ somewhat in the peaks, so for example 17:25 is
probably the latest you could leave LST on the tube to catch the 17:44
train at Kings Cross. Both the 17:37 and 17:43 from LST will get you to
Cambridge before the 18:14 from KGX.

But from 17:43 to 17:55 (approx) it's better to head for KGX hoping to
catch the 18:14, rather than wait at LST for the 18:07 from there.

Weekends, when the OP is apparently travelling (or is it Friday
evening), I'll leave as an exercise for the reader :)
--
Roland Perry

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

On 2015-04-21 11:18:39 +0000, Roland Perry said:

The Dutch, who can apparently do-no-wrong either with public transport,
or bikes, ban them!!

Eh? Off-peak, cycles are allowed on NS. But at a fairly hefty flat
fee, which serves as a discouragement for shorter journeys.

Neil
--
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Put my first name before the @ to reply.

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

On 2015-04-21 20:05:12 +0000, Roland Perry said:

They do? Bikes are banned on the commuter services in and out of
Amsterdam. Being largely double-decker, there's no obvious place for
bikes to go.

No, they aren't banned other than in the peaks. They just go in the vestibule.

Neil
--
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Put my first name before the @ to reply.

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

In message , at 10:48:51 on Fri, 24
Apr 2015, Neil Williams remarked:
They do? Bikes are banned on the commuter services in and out of
Amsterdam. Being largely double-decker, there's no obvious place for
bikes to go.

No, they aren't banned other than in the peaks.

Which tends to rule out use by commuters.

They just go in the vestibule.

Not much room for bikes in the vestibules of the double-deckers.

And you need a six-Euro cycle ticket (twelve-Euro and a compulsory
booking on international trains).
--
Roland Perry

Liverpool St to Cambridge
 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 03:06:12AM -0700, wrote:
On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 13:10:18 UTC+2, David Cantrell wrote:
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 06:12:52PM +0100, wrote:
wrote:
Next weekend I'll be travelling from Liverpool St to Cambridge. What
stock does that route use? What does first class get me? Anything? Or is
it like Southern where first class is exactly the same as second but
with an extra sticker on the window and a hankie velcroed to the seat?
If you want better 1st class, travel from Kings X perhaps?
Meh, the extra time spent getting to King's Cross would negate any
benefit I think, given that I'll be starting my journey at work, which
is spitting distance fro Liverpool St.
Unless something has changed recently, the fastest way to get from Liverpool St to Cambridge is to get the Underground to King's Cross and take the next non-stop train.

I do not optimise for time alone but for a combination of time,
convenience, cost, and comfort. If time was all-important, I'd have just
checked the timetables online.

--
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