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Peter Smyth[_2_] · May 25th 15, 05:58 PM posted to uk.transport.london

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Given that the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and Switzerland are
perfectly capable of having cycle, tram and trolleybus
infrastructure working alongside each other with little difficulty
I don't think that's an issue. Of course the UK has little
experience of such infrastructure and parallel modal working that
we will imagine all sorts of risk, crises, accidents etc which is
really a load of old ********. We decided that we didn't want to
do that "continental rubbish" after the 1950s and 60s so we've
wasted nigh on half a century wedding ourselves to the car when we
could have achieved a better mix of modes.

A further UK-only hazard is the 1870 Tramways Act which still makes
tramway operators responsible for maintaining the highway around the
tracks at their expense, in effect subsidising their opposition.

That seems reasonable enough. I would assume in almost every case the
road was there before the tram came along?

Peter Smyth

[email protected] · May 25th 15, 08:21 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Peter Smyth) wrote:

wrote:

Given that the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and Switzerland are
perfectly capable of having cycle, tram and trolleybus
infrastructure working alongside each other with little difficulty
I don't think that's an issue. Of course the UK has little
experience of such infrastructure and parallel modal working that
we will imagine all sorts of risk, crises, accidents etc which is
really a load of old ********. We decided that we didn't want to
do that "continental rubbish" after the 1950s and 60s so we've
wasted nigh on half a century wedding ourselves to the car when we
could have achieved a better mix of modes.

A further UK-only hazard is the 1870 Tramways Act which still makes
tramway operators responsible for maintaining the highway around the
tracks at their expense, in effect subsidising their opposition.

That seems reasonable enough. I would assume in almost every case the
road was there before the tram came along?

The rest of the world doesn't expect the areas outside the tracks to be
maintained as well as those incidental to the actual tracks.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Peter Smyth[_2_] · May 25th 15, 09:11 PM posted to uk.transport.london

wrote:

In article , (Peter Smyth)
wrote:

wrote:

Given that the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and Switzerland are
perfectly capable of having cycle, tram and trolleybus
infrastructure working alongside each other with little
difficulty I don't think that's an issue. Of course the UK has
little experience of such infrastructure and parallel modal
working that we will imagine all sorts of risk, crises,
accidents etc which is really a load of old ********. We
decided that we didn't want to do that "continental rubbish"
after the 1950s and 60s so we've wasted nigh on half a century
wedding ourselves to the car when we could have achieved a
better mix of modes.

A further UK-only hazard is the 1870 Tramways Act which still
makes tramway operators responsible for maintaining the highway
around the tracks at their expense, in effect subsidising their
opposition.

That seems reasonable enough. I would assume in almost every case
the road was there before the tram came along?

The rest of the world doesn't expect the areas outside the tracks to
be maintained as well as those incidental to the actual tracks.

They are only required to maintain the road within 18 inches either
side of the tracks.

Peter Smyth

[email protected] · May 25th 15, 09:20 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , (Peter Smyth) wrote:

wrote:

In article , (Peter Smyth)
wrote:

wrote:

Given that the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and Switzerland are
perfectly capable of having cycle, tram and trolleybus
infrastructure working alongside each other with little
difficulty I don't think that's an issue. Of course the UK has
little experience of such infrastructure and parallel modal
working that we will imagine all sorts of risk, crises,
accidents etc which is really a load of old ********. We
decided that we didn't want to do that "continental rubbish"
after the 1950s and 60s so we've wasted nigh on half a century
wedding ourselves to the car when we could have achieved a
better mix of modes.

A further UK-only hazard is the 1870 Tramways Act which still
makes tramway operators responsible for maintaining the highway
around the tracks at their expense, in effect subsidising their
opposition.

That seems reasonable enough. I would assume in almost every case
the road was there before the tram came along?

The rest of the world doesn't expect the areas outside the tracks to
be maintained as well as those incidental to the actual tracks.

They are only required to maintain the road within 18 inches either
side of the tracks.

Exactly. Do they have to do that in Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland or
Austria? I know that strict cost allocation helped cross-subsidise German
tramways while we were ripping ours up.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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