" wrote:
On 30.05.15 0:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:33:54 +0100, "
wrote:

Will TfL also operate the Stansted Express, BTW, or will Abelia continue
to hold that concession?

No TfL will not operate any medium or long distance services nor any
that run via Tottenham Hale. They all remain with Abellio Greater
Anglia. Some peak hour services from Hertford East, run by AGA, will
continue to run semi fast via Seven Sisters. This is why Edmonton
Green, Seven Sisters and Hackney Downs retain the NR double arrow
simple on the new style Tube Map that is valid from Sunday. The semi
fasts stop at those London area stations.

There is zero logic in TfL having any involvement in express services
to Stansted.

One other thing: AIUI, TfL plans to replace the 315s and 317s with newer
rolling stock. Will those be the 378s or will they perhaps bring in
something reminiscent of the S-Bahns that one might see in Germany? (Not
like the ones on East Germany's Deutsche Reichsbahn, by the way )

Not 378s, but something newer, not yet selected.

On 30.05.15 23:22, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 30.05.15 0:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:33:54 +0100, "
wrote:

Will TfL also operate the Stansted Express, BTW, or will Abelia continue
to hold that concession?

No TfL will not operate any medium or long distance services nor any
that run via Tottenham Hale. They all remain with Abellio Greater
Anglia. Some peak hour services from Hertford East, run by AGA, will
continue to run semi fast via Seven Sisters. This is why Edmonton
Green, Seven Sisters and Hackney Downs retain the NR double arrow
simple on the new style Tube Map that is valid from Sunday. The semi
fasts stop at those London area stations.

There is zero logic in TfL having any involvement in express services
to Stansted.

One other thing: AIUI, TfL plans to replace the 315s and 317s with newer
rolling stock. Will those be the 378s or will they perhaps bring in
something reminiscent of the S-Bahns that one might see in Germany? (Not
like the ones on East Germany's Deutsche Reichsbahn, by the way )

Not 378s, but something newer, not yet selected.


I see.

So, AIUI, TfL Rail will at this point operate local services out to
Shenfield.

Will it not, however, operate local services on the Lea Valley Lines out
to Enfield, Chingford and Cheshunt, the latter destination being via
Southbury?

Will it

On 31.05.15 0:13, wrote:
On 30.05.15 23:22, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 30.05.15 0:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:33:54 +0100, "
wrote:

Will TfL also operate the Stansted Express, BTW, or will Abelia
continue
to hold that concession?

No TfL will not operate any medium or long distance services nor any
that run via Tottenham Hale. They all remain with Abellio Greater
Anglia. Some peak hour services from Hertford East, run by AGA, will
continue to run semi fast via Seven Sisters. This is why Edmonton
Green, Seven Sisters and Hackney Downs retain the NR double arrow
simple on the new style Tube Map that is valid from Sunday. The semi
fasts stop at those London area stations.

There is zero logic in TfL having any involvement in express services
to Stansted.

One other thing: AIUI, TfL plans to replace the 315s and 317s with newer
rolling stock. Will those be the 378s or will they perhaps bring in
something reminiscent of the S-Bahns that one might see in Germany? (Not
like the ones on East Germany's Deutsche Reichsbahn, by the way )

Not 378s, but something newer, not yet selected.


I see.

So, AIUI, TfL Rail will at this point operate local services out to
Shenfield.

Will it not, however, operate local services on the Lea Valley Lines out
to Enfield, Chingford and Cheshunt, the latter destination being via
Southbury?

Will it


I guess not. I thought that TfL trains would also operate via Hackney
Downs to further down destinations.

In article , () wrote:

On 31.05.15 0:13, wrote:
On 30.05.15 23:22, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 30.05.15 0:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:33:54 +0100, "
wrote:

Will TfL also operate the Stansted Express, BTW, or will Abelia
continue to hold that concession?

No TfL will not operate any medium or long distance services nor any
that run via Tottenham Hale. They all remain with Abellio Greater
Anglia. Some peak hour services from Hertford East, run by AGA, will
continue to run semi fast via Seven Sisters. This is why Edmonton
Green, Seven Sisters and Hackney Downs retain the NR double arrow
simple on the new style Tube Map that is valid from Sunday. The semi
fasts stop at those London area stations.

There is zero logic in TfL having any involvement in express services
to Stansted.

One other thing: AIUI, TfL plans to replace the 315s and 317s with
newer rolling stock. Will those be the 378s or will they perhaps bring
in something reminiscent of the S-Bahns that one might see in Germany?
(Not like the ones on East Germany's Deutsche Reichsbahn, by the way
)

Not 378s, but something newer, not yet selected.

I see.

So, AIUI, TfL Rail will at this point operate local services out to
Shenfield.

Will it not, however, operate local services on the Lea Valley Lines out
to Enfield, Chingford and Cheshunt, the latter destination being via
Southbury?

Will it

I guess not. I thought that TfL trains would also operate via Hackney
Downs to further down destinations.

No. The routes to Enfield, Chingford and Cheshunt via Southbury and Romford
to Upminster will become part of London Overground. The Lea Valley will
remain with Abellio Greater Anglia.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

" wrote:
On 30.05.15 23:22, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 30.05.15 0:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:33:54 +0100, "
wrote:

Will TfL also operate the Stansted Express, BTW, or will Abelia continue
to hold that concession?

No TfL will not operate any medium or long distance services nor any
that run via Tottenham Hale. They all remain with Abellio Greater
Anglia. Some peak hour services from Hertford East, run by AGA, will
continue to run semi fast via Seven Sisters. This is why Edmonton
Green, Seven Sisters and Hackney Downs retain the NR double arrow
simple on the new style Tube Map that is valid from Sunday. The semi
fasts stop at those London area stations.

There is zero logic in TfL having any involvement in express services
to Stansted.

One other thing: AIUI, TfL plans to replace the 315s and 317s with newer
rolling stock. Will those be the 378s or will they perhaps bring in
something reminiscent of the S-Bahns that one might see in Germany? (Not
like the ones on East Germany's Deutsche Reichsbahn, by the way )

Not 378s, but something newer, not yet selected.


I see.

So, AIUI, TfL Rail will at this point operate local services out to Shenfield.

Yes. It's a temporary place-holder brand on the existing trains, to be
replaced by the Crossrail brand on the new 335 stock trains when there is a
Crossrail.


Will it not, however, operate local services on the Lea Valley Lines out
to Enfield, Chingford and Cheshunt, the latter destination being via Southbury?

No, those services are now and in the future, Overground.

See
https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/tube

On 31.05.15 0:27, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 30.05.15 23:22, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 30.05.15 0:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:33:54 +0100, "
wrote:

Will TfL also operate the Stansted Express, BTW, or will Abelia continue
to hold that concession?

No TfL will not operate any medium or long distance services nor any
that run via Tottenham Hale. They all remain with Abellio Greater
Anglia. Some peak hour services from Hertford East, run by AGA, will
continue to run semi fast via Seven Sisters. This is why Edmonton
Green, Seven Sisters and Hackney Downs retain the NR double arrow
simple on the new style Tube Map that is valid from Sunday. The semi
fasts stop at those London area stations.

There is zero logic in TfL having any involvement in express services
to Stansted.

One other thing: AIUI, TfL plans to replace the 315s and 317s with newer
rolling stock. Will those be the 378s or will they perhaps bring in
something reminiscent of the S-Bahns that one might see in Germany? (Not
like the ones on East Germany's Deutsche Reichsbahn, by the way )

Not 378s, but something newer, not yet selected.


I see.

So, AIUI, TfL Rail will at this point operate local services out to Shenfield.

Yes. It's a temporary place-holder brand on the existing trains, to be
replaced by the Crossrail brand on the new 335 stock trains when there is a
Crossrail.


Will it not, however, operate local services on the Lea Valley Lines out
to Enfield, Chingford and Cheshunt, the latter destination being via Southbury?

No, those services are now and in the future, Overground.

See
https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/tube

Now I understand. Many thanks for that, Recliner.

In article

rg, (Recliner) wrote:

" wrote:
On 30.05.15 23:22, Recliner wrote:

So, AIUI, TfL Rail will at this point operate local services out to
Shenfield.

Yes. It's a temporary place-holder brand on the existing trains, to be
replaced by the Crossrail brand on the new 335 stock trains when there is
a Crossrail.

345s, surely?

Will it not, however, operate local services on the Lea Valley Lines out
to Enfield, Chingford and Cheshunt, the latter destination being
via Southbury?

No, those services are now and in the future, Overground.

See
https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/tube

--
Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:
In article

, (Recliner) wrote:

" wrote:
On 30.05.15 23:22, Recliner wrote:

So, AIUI, TfL Rail will at this point operate local services out to
Shenfield.

Yes. It's a temporary place-holder brand on the existing trains, to be
replaced by the Crossrail brand on the new 335 stock trains when there is
a Crossrail.

345s, surely?

Yes, of course.

On 30.05.15 23:22, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 30.05.15 0:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:33:54 +0100, "
wrote:

Will TfL also operate the Stansted Express, BTW, or will Abelia continue
to hold that concession?

No TfL will not operate any medium or long distance services nor any
that run via Tottenham Hale. They all remain with Abellio Greater
Anglia. Some peak hour services from Hertford East, run by AGA, will
continue to run semi fast via Seven Sisters. This is why Edmonton
Green, Seven Sisters and Hackney Downs retain the NR double arrow
simple on the new style Tube Map that is valid from Sunday. The semi
fasts stop at those London area stations.

There is zero logic in TfL having any involvement in express services
to Stansted.

One other thing: AIUI, TfL plans to replace the 315s and 317s with newer
rolling stock. Will those be the 378s or will they perhaps bring in
something reminiscent of the S-Bahns that one might see in Germany? (Not
like the ones on East Germany's Deutsche Reichsbahn, by the way )

Not 378s, but something newer, not yet selected.

What about the 345s?

" wrote:
On 30.05.15 23:22, Recliner wrote:
" wrote:
On 30.05.15 0:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2015 19:33:54 +0100, "
wrote:

Will TfL also operate the Stansted Express, BTW, or will Abelia continue
to hold that concession?

No TfL will not operate any medium or long distance services nor any
that run via Tottenham Hale. They all remain with Abellio Greater
Anglia. Some peak hour services from Hertford East, run by AGA, will
continue to run semi fast via Seven Sisters. This is why Edmonton
Green, Seven Sisters and Hackney Downs retain the NR double arrow
simple on the new style Tube Map that is valid from Sunday. The semi
fasts stop at those London area stations.

There is zero logic in TfL having any involvement in express services
to Stansted.

One other thing: AIUI, TfL plans to replace the 315s and 317s with newer
rolling stock. Will those be the 378s or will they perhaps bring in
something reminiscent of the S-Bahns that one might see in Germany? (Not
like the ones on East Germany's Deutsche Reichsbahn, by the way )

Not 378s, but something newer, not yet selected.

What about the 345s?

No, but might be a shorter variant of the Aventra if Bombardier wins the
order. But the preferred bidder hasn't been chosen yet.