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Lars Elmvang February 20th 04 02:40 PM

Train-numbers on the LU
 
Hi all

I am trying to find out which numbers go where.
So far I have this list, based on some lines:

Bakerloo: Possibly 2xx but not sure
Central: Don't know
Circle: 201-214?
District: 0xx (D-stock-trains) but what about the Wimbledon-Edgware Road
services?
East London: 171-176
Hammersmith & City: Don't know (unless it is 2xx above 214)
Jubilee: 3xx
Metropolitan: 4xx
Northern: 0xx
Piccadilly: 3xx
Victoria: 2xx
Waterloo & City: 201-204
Specials and engineering trains 7xx

How far "off-track" am I?
And can anyone expand the list?
For instance with service-specific numbers (ie. Olympia for District,
Uxbrigde/Ruislip/Rayners Lane for Piccadilly, Mill Hill East/High
Barnet/Edgware/City/Charing Cross for Northern and so on and so
forth...)

Thanks in advance!
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Proctor46 February 20th 04 03:29 PM

Train-numbers on the LU
 
t about the Wimbledon-Edgware Road

070 to 076

Proctor46 February 20th 04 03:40 PM

Train-numbers on the LU
 
Olympia for District,


Olympia trains are No's 151 D & 152 D

Thomas Crame February 20th 04 10:25 PM

Train-numbers on the LU
 
Lars Elmvang wrote in message .. .
Hi all

I am trying to find out which numbers go where.
So far I have this list, based on some lines:

Bakerloo: Possibly 2xx but not sure
Central: Don't know
Circle: 201-214?
District: 0xx (D-stock-trains) but what about the Wimbledon-Edgware Road
services?
East London: 171-176
Hammersmith & City: Don't know (unless it is 2xx above 214)
Jubilee: 3xx
Metropolitan: 4xx
Northern: 0xx
Piccadilly: 3xx
Victoria: 2xx
Waterloo & City: 201-204
Specials and engineering trains 7xx

How far "off-track" am I?
And can anyone expand the list?
For instance with service-specific numbers (ie. Olympia for District,
Uxbrigde/Ruislip/Rayners Lane for Piccadilly, Mill Hill East/High
Barnet/Edgware/City/Charing Cross for Northern and so on and so
forth...)

Thanks in advance!


Bakerloo are 200 to somewhere in the 240s.
The numbers sometimes relate to the stabling arrangements, for example
Bakerloo 241 is the London Road midday stabler.

The circle and H&C have a shared number series, I think.
The picc numbers were in the following series (in 1999):
250 - 257, 260 Cockfosters to Rayners Lane
261 - 267, 270 - 272 Cockfosters to Uxbridge
273 Spare at Acton Town (midday)
274 - 277 Northfields Midday Stablers
300 - 307, 310 - 317, 320 - 327, 330 - 337, 340 - 343 Cockfosters to
Heathrow
347 Acton Town Overnight stabler
351 - 357, 360 - 366 Arnos Grove to Northfields
371 - 373 Cockfosters Midday Stablers

When running an emergency timetable the picc runs Cockfosters to
Heathrow (400 series) and Acton to Rayners Lane (500 series). The vic
emergency numbering is in the 000s, and I think the district emergency
series is in the 300s.
I can't help with the others; I've never seen the bakerloo run an
emergency timetable and don't remember the central's series.

David Splett February 20th 04 10:52 PM

Train-numbers on the LU
 
"Thomas Crame" wrote in message
om...
Bakerloo are 200 to somewhere in the 240s.
The numbers sometimes relate to the stabling arrangements, for example
Bakerloo 241 is the London Road midday stabler.


201-213 Stonebridge Park depot starters
221-227 Queen's Park depot starters
231-242 London Road depot starters
245-247 Elephant sidings starters
251-254 London Road-Elephant changeovers

From memory, the emergency timetable is in the 0XX series, certainly for
Elephant to Queen's Park. I don't know what happens for the Harrow service.

CENTRAL LINE (WTT60)
1-23 Epping-West Ruislip
31-41 Woodford-Ealing via Hainault
50-57 Hainault-Ealing Broadway
61-67 (Mon-Sat) Loughton-North Acton
61-65 (Sun) White City-Leytonstone
71-76 (Mon-Sat) Newbury Park-White City
101-111 Ruislip depot midday stablers
121-122 White City depot midday stablers
141-154 Hainault depot midday stablers
480 Hainault depot midday route learning/rusty rails train

JUBILEE (WTT6)
Monday-Friday:
301-343 Stanmore/Wembley/Willesden Grn-Stratford
350-354 Neasden midday stablers
360-366 Stratford midday stablers
370 Peak spare
Saturday/Sunday:
301-334 Stanmore-Stratford
340-353 Wembley Park/Willesden Grn-Stratford

NORTHERN (WTT48)
1-11 Edgware starters
21-33 Golders starters
40-47 Barnet starters
51-64 Highgate starters
71-131 Morden starters
141-155 Morden midday stablers
161-173 Golders midday stablers
174 Golders evening peak starter
730 Golders-Highgate transfer
731-2 Golders-Golders turning trip
733 Golders-Morden transfer
734 Morden-Golders transfer

MET
401-404 Amersham-Baker St
407 Chesham shuttle
420-435 Uxbridge-Aldgate
440-451 Watford-Baker Street
460-476 Neasden midday stablers
470-473 Neasden-Rickmansworth transfer
710 Rail Adhesion Train
711-712 Rickmansworth/Amersham test train
713 Uxbridge test train
714-717 Turning trips



HTH.



Peter Smyth February 20th 04 11:00 PM

Train-numbers on the LU
 

"Thomas Crame" wrote in message
om...

The circle and H&C have a shared number series, I think.
The picc numbers were in the following series (in 1999):
250 - 257, 260 Cockfosters to Rayners Lane
261 - 267, 270 - 272 Cockfosters to Uxbridge
273 Spare at Acton Town (midday)
274 - 277 Northfields Midday Stablers
300 - 307, 310 - 317, 320 - 327, 330 - 337, 340 - 343 Cockfosters to
Heathrow
347 Acton Town Overnight stabler
351 - 357, 360 - 366 Arnos Grove to Northfields
371 - 373 Cockfosters Midday Stablers


Is there a reason why the don't use numbers ending in 8 or 9?

Peter Smyth



Roger the cabin boy February 21st 04 01:18 AM

Train-numbers on the LU
 
MET
401-404 Amersham-Baker St
407 Chesham shuttle
420-435 Uxbridge-Aldgate
440-451 Watford-Baker Street
460-476 Neasden midday stablers
470-473 Neasden-Rickmansworth transfer
710 Rail Adhesion Train


NOT SO - The Amershams start at 410 and i think the Watford trains are now
in the 42X set.



Lars Elmvang February 21st 04 10:16 AM

Train-numbers on the LU
 
Roger the cabin boy wrote:

MET
401-404 Amersham-Baker St
407 Chesham shuttle
420-435 Uxbridge-Aldgate
440-451 Watford-Baker Street
460-476 Neasden midday stablers
470-473 Neasden-Rickmansworth transfer
710 Rail Adhesion Train

NOT SO - The Amershams start at 410 and i think the Watford trains are now
in the 42X set.


Hmm, I've seen some pictures of Amersham trains (recent pics) with 401 and
402.......

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Lars Elmvang February 21st 04 10:17 AM

Train-numbers on the LU
 
Peter Smyth wrote:

"Thomas Crame" wrote in message
om...
The circle and H&C have a shared number series, I think.
The picc numbers were in the following series (in 1999):
250 - 257, 260 Cockfosters to Rayners Lane
261 - 267, 270 - 272 Cockfosters to Uxbridge
273 Spare at Acton Town (midday)
274 - 277 Northfields Midday Stablers
300 - 307, 310 - 317, 320 - 327, 330 - 337, 340 - 343 Cockfosters to
Heathrow
347 Acton Town Overnight stabler
351 - 357, 360 - 366 Arnos Grove to Northfields
371 - 373 Cockfosters Midday Stablers

Is there a reason why the don't use numbers ending in 8 or 9?


If I recall correctly old signalling computers not recognicing these
digits......

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[email protected] February 21st 04 11:45 AM

Train-numbers on the LU
 
In article ,
(Peter Smyth) wrote:


"Thomas Crame" wrote in message
om...

The circle and H&C have a shared number series, I think.
The picc numbers were in the following series (in 1999):
250 - 257, 260 Cockfosters to Rayners Lane
261 - 267, 270 - 272 Cockfosters to Uxbridge
273 Spare at Acton Town (midday)
274 - 277 Northfields Midday Stablers
300 - 307, 310 - 317, 320 - 327, 330 - 337, 340 - 343 Cockfosters to
Heathrow
347 Acton Town Overnight stabler
351 - 357, 360 - 366 Arnos Grove to Northfields
371 - 373 Cockfosters Midday Stablers


Is there a reason why the don't use numbers ending in 8 or 9?

Peter Smyth



I think this started on the Northern Line, with the introduction of
programme machine working in the 1950s, and other lines followed suit. On
the programme machine rolls, the information for that train is stored in a
row of punched holes. Binary Coded Decimal is used a lot with the
programme machines and the various remote control of the IMRs etc. and
describers.

In BCD the decimal number is represented by the digits 0 and 1. The number
4 is represented by 100, 5-101, 6-110, 7-111, 8-1000, 16-10000 and so on.
This means an extra wire etc. for each extra digit. I suspect that this is
the reason. I have the info. on it somewhere, but not to hand.

The dutys (on the Northern Line anyway) also do not use 8 or 9. I can't
remember when it changed. It was a long while ago, but mot at the same
time as the programme machine introduction.

Roger


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