Old People & Front Doors on Buses
 

We are meant to board buses by the front door and alight by the centre doors.

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?

The facility of egress would seem identical.

Old People & Front Doors on Buses
 

Offramp wrote:
We are meant to board buses by the front door and alight by the centre doors.

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?

The facility of egress would seem identical.

The seats reserved for old/disabled people are nearer the front of the bus,
so if they're sitting in them, it's easier to get off the same way,
particularly if they're carrying stuff.

Old People & Front Doors on Buses
 

Offramp wrote:

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?


What is your evidence for that statement? I've not kept score but my
perception is that the behaviour is shown most often by people with one
or both of 2 characteristics: (a) people new to London* and (b) selfish
gits; and they seem to me to have a lower age than the general bus
population.

There are of course some old people who do exit at the front but that is
not surprising to me as (a) they may have spent very many years on buses
where that was the only option and (b) if seated at the front they find
that by far the easier and quicker route when using the middle doors so
often means negotiating buggies, shopping trollies and standing
passengers whose attention is 100% on their phones.

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reply to address is (meant to be) valid

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On Thursday, 5 November 2015 10:38:21 UTC, Robin wrote:
Offramp wrote:

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?


What is your evidence for that statement?

http://documents.worldbank.org/curat...republic-congo
Page 42.

There are of course some old people who do exit at the front but that is
not surprising to me as (a) they may have spent very many years on buses
where that was the only option and (b) if seated at the front they find
that by far the easier and quicker route when using the middle doors so
often means negotiating buggies, shopping trollies and standing
passengers whose attention is 100% on their phones.

My experience is that no matter where in the front section of the bus the oldie is seated, and no matter what the congestion is like in the centre of the bus, the miscreant will always use the front door, creating the possibility of a Heysel-stadium-like disaster.

Old People & Front Doors on Buses
 

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 10:15:14 AM UTC, Offramp wrote:
We are meant to board buses by the front door and alight by the centre doors.

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?

The facility of egress would seem identical.

They are not identical as the front entrance on London buses normally has the ability for the front suspension to kneel so reducing the step up/down to the kerb. This is a major benefit to people with reduced mobility such as the elderly. Drivers are encouraged to look out for people such as this as part of their customer service training. So it's good to hear that this is obviously working!

Old People & Front Doors on Buses
 

On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 05:12:10 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 10:15:14 AM UTC, Offramp wrote:
We are meant to board buses by the front door and alight by the centre doors.

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?

The facility of egress would seem identical.

They are not identical as the front entrance on London buses normally has the ability for the front suspension to kneel so reducing the step up/down to the kerb. This is a major benefit to people with reduced mobility such as the elderly. Drivers are encouraged to look out for people such as this as part of their customer service training. So it's good to hear that this is obviously working!

And the elderly find a big step down much more hazardous that the same
size step up. I (aged 88) readily go upstairs carrying something in
both hands but will not go downstairs without using a handrail.

Guy Gorton

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On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 02:15:12 -0800 (PST), Offramp
wrote:

We are meant to board buses by the front door and alight by the centre doors.

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?

The facility of egress would seem identical.

All our local buses, (S.E.Essex) have but the one door, (at the
front..........) so when we venture into the Capital we are confuzzled
& panciked by this strange extra door.

As for Oyster Readers which don't work with our bus
passes...............


DC

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Old People & Front Doors on Buses
 

On Thursday, 5 November 2015 15:41:04 UTC, Richard J. wrote:

The OP's obvious exaggeration doesn't help his case.

"We are meant to board buses by the front door and alight by the centre doors.

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?

The facility of egress would seem identical."

I can't see any exaggeration there.

Old People & Front Doors on Buses
 

Offramp wrote:
On Thursday, 5 November 2015 15:41:04 UTC, Richard J. wrote:

The OP's obvious exaggeration doesn't help his case.

"We are meant to board buses by the front door and alight by the centre doors.

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?

The facility of egress would seem identical."

I can't see any exaggeration there.


Really?
"no matter what the congestion is like in the centre of the bus, the
miscreant will always use the front door, creating the possibility of a
Heysel-stadium-like disaster."

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On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 08:33:54 -0800 (PST), Offramp
wrote:

On Thursday, 5 November 2015 15:41:04 UTC, Richard J. wrote:

The OP's obvious exaggeration doesn't help his case.

"We are meant to board buses by the front door and alight by the centre doors.

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?

The facility of egress would seem identical."

I can't see any exaggeration there.

In a sense, you are right. I have no doubt it happens, much to your
disgust. But most of the responses have been about why it happens,
not about denying your assertion. The only part of your diatribe that
can be challenged is that the facililty of egress seems identical.
You now have plenty of evidence that your assumption is incorrect - at
least in the perception of the elderly, among whom I am happy to be
counted..

Guy Gorton

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:54:11 +0000, David C wrote:

On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 02:15:12 -0800 (PST), Offramp
wrote:

We are meant to board buses by the front door and alight by the centre doors.

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?

The facility of egress would seem identical.

All our local buses, (S.E.Essex) have but the one door, (at the
front..........) so when we venture into the Capital we are confuzzled
& panciked by this strange extra door.

As for Oyster Readers which don't work with our bus
passes...............

Well, they will one day. It's a shame that the rest of the country is
door-poor, it wasn't always the case of course.

As for old people at the front -- if it's easier (kneeling bus, at the
kerb, proximity of seats) then good luck to them, and this use should
be formalised and stickered. What about the confused/cunning masses,
none of them old, who think they can get on at the centre door of any
bus? I think they're more of a hazard. Is it time to make any door
boarding and alighting standard on all London's buses -- just as many
countries are going in the opposite direction? (France, and to a
lesser extent, Germany.)

Richard.

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Richard wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:54:11 +0000, David C wrote:

On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 02:15:12 -0800 (PST), Offramp
wrote:

We are meant to board buses by the front door and alight by the centre doors.

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?

The facility of egress would seem identical.

All our local buses, (S.E.Essex) have but the one door, (at the
front..........) so when we venture into the Capital we are confuzzled
& panciked by this strange extra door.

As for Oyster Readers which don't work with our bus
passes...............

Well, they will one day. It's a shame that the rest of the country is
door-poor, it wasn't always the case of course.

As for old people at the front -- if it's easier (kneeling bus, at the
kerb, proximity of seats) then good luck to them, and this use should
be formalised and stickered. What about the confused/cunning masses,
none of them old, who think they can get on at the centre door of any
bus? I think they're more of a hazard. Is it time to make any door
boarding and alighting standard on all London's buses -- just as many
countries are going in the opposite direction? (France, and to a
lesser extent, Germany.)

Do any London buses (apart from Boris buses) have Oyster readers other than
at the front?

Old People & Front Doors on Buses
 

On 05/11/2015 10:15, Offramp wrote:
We are meant to board buses by the front door and alight by the centre doors.

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?

The facility of egress would seem identical.

We were brought up to be polite and say thankyou to the driver?



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In article m,
(Peter Lawrence) wrote:

On 05/11/2015 10:15, Offramp wrote:
We are meant to board buses by the front door and alight by the
centre doors.

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?

The facility of egress would seem identical.

We were brought up to be polite and say thankyou to the driver?

My 9-year-old granddaughter does that too!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 9:57:57 PM UTC, Recliner wrote:
Richard wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:54:11 +0000, David C wrote:

On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 02:15:12 -0800 (PST), Offramp
wrote:

We are meant to board buses by the front door and alight by the centre doors.

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?

The facility of egress would seem identical.

All our local buses, (S.E.Essex) have but the one door, (at the
front..........) so when we venture into the Capital we are confuzzled
& panciked by this strange extra door.

As for Oyster Readers which don't work with our bus
passes...............

Well, they will one day. It's a shame that the rest of the country is
door-poor, it wasn't always the case of course.

As for old people at the front -- if it's easier (kneeling bus, at the
kerb, proximity of seats) then good luck to them, and this use should
be formalised and stickered. What about the confused/cunning masses,
none of them old, who think they can get on at the centre door of any
bus? I think they're more of a hazard. Is it time to make any door
boarding and alighting standard on all London's buses -- just as many
countries are going in the opposite direction? (France, and to a
lesser extent, Germany.)

Do any London buses (apart from Boris buses) have Oyster readers other than
at the front?

New Routemasters and the Citaros used on routes 507 and 521 have them in other places too. Not on the top deck though with the New Routemasters.

Old People & Front Doors on Buses
 

On 06/11/2015 15:26, Peter Lawrence wrote:

On 05/11/2015 10:15, Offramp wrote:
We are meant to board buses by the front door and alight by the
centre doors.

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?

The facility of egress would seem identical.

We were brought up to be polite and say thankyou to the driver?


I try and give a noticeable wave to the exterior mirror on alighting.
Not sure how effective this is.

Re the OP's point - my experience differs, most people including the
elderly (whatever that means nowadays) use the centre doors for alighting.

Old People & Front Doors on Buses
 

wrote:
On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 9:57:57 PM UTC, Recliner wrote:
Richard wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:54:11 +0000, David C wrote:

On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 02:15:12 -0800 (PST), Offramp
wrote:

We are meant to board buses by the front door and alight by the centre doors.

Why do old people only want to use the front doors for both?

The facility of egress would seem identical.

All our local buses, (S.E.Essex) have but the one door, (at the
front..........) so when we venture into the Capital we are confuzzled
& panciked by this strange extra door.

As for Oyster Readers which don't work with our bus
passes...............

Well, they will one day. It's a shame that the rest of the country is
door-poor, it wasn't always the case of course.

As for old people at the front -- if it's easier (kneeling bus, at the
kerb, proximity of seats) then good luck to them, and this use should
be formalised and stickered. What about the confused/cunning masses,
none of them old, who think they can get on at the centre door of any
bus? I think they're more of a hazard. Is it time to make any door
boarding and alighting standard on all London's buses -- just as many
countries are going in the opposite direction? (France, and to a
lesser extent, Germany.)

Do any London buses (apart from Boris buses) have Oyster readers other than
at the front?

New Routemasters and the Citaros used on routes 507 and 521 have them in
other places too. Not on the top deck though with the New Routemasters.


The Boris buses do have them on each of the three doors.

Old People & Front Doors on Buses
 

On Friday, 6 November 2015 16:52:35 UTC, Recliner wrote:

Do any London buses (apart from Boris buses) have Oyster readers other than at the front?

The Boris buses do have them on each of the three doors.

I think Boris Buses have them as well.

Old People & Front Doors on Buses
 

Offramp wrote:
On Friday, 6 November 2015 16:52:35 UTC, Recliner wrote:

Do any London buses (apart from Boris buses) have Oyster readers other than at the front?

The Boris buses do have them on each of the three doors.

I think Boris Buses have them as well.

Have I missed some subtlety in that response?

Old People & Front Doors on Buses
 

On Saturday, 7 November 2015 09:48:41 UTC, Recliner wrote:
Offramp wrote:
On Friday, 6 November 2015 16:52:35 UTC, Recliner wrote:

Do any London buses (apart from Boris buses) have Oyster readers other than at the front?

The Boris buses do have them on each of the three doors.

I think Boris Buses have them as well.

Have I missed some subtlety in that response?

No. I thought someone else had added the "I think Boris Buses have them as well" response. I thought a third person was involved. It was unto that non-existent third person that my sarcastic post was addressed.