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Basil Jet[_4_] · November 19th 15, 09:14 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On 2015\11\19 16:19, wrote:
On 19.11.15 1:09, Basil Jet wrote:

Incidentally, someone was describing a journey to me this morning and
she said "I get the... vertical bit of the Overground and change to
the... horizontal bit of the Overground". She sounded like she felt a
bit foolish describing it in such terms, but TfL have left people with
little choice. On querying it turned out that she has lived in Surrey
Quays for decades and is well aware that the vertical line used to be
called the East London Line, but as a young woman working in fashion she
would be particularly keen to avoid looking out of date, and she has no
up-to-date term to describe the line. The experience gelled with recent
thoughts of mine.

Why doesn't she just call them by their proper names, East London Line
and North London Line, rather than desperately trying to look "cool"?

She might not know the proper name of the North London Line - I don't
think it's been used by anyone but enthusiasts since she was a child.
The cool factor is just my own assessment of the motives of a stranger.
Certainly, TfL can not deliberately deprecate the name of its Overground
Lines and then mock fashionistas for being too cool to use them. TfL
should not have stripped the lines of their name in the first place!

[email protected] · November 19th 15, 08:22 AM posted to uk.transport.london

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 21:29:03 +0000
eastender wrote:
On 2015-11-18 18:48:13 +0000, e27002 aurora said:

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:36:14 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

I took the ELL from Highbury this morning for the first time in about 6
months.
Even after the obligatory 7 minute wait for the train to leave it was still
only a 3rd full in the middle of the morning rush hour. Compared to last
time
I used it this is virtually empty. I can only assume the poor service
frequency and slow journey times (25 mins to do the 4 miles to canada water
this morning) have put people off as they did me. What a waste of an asset.

This is sad to hear. The Overground has such great potential. But,
the speed on its routes are excruciatingly slow. Surely all that
investment should allow for a more sprightly system.

They can seem slow especially between stations close together but they
are main line not underground trains.

Even so, there's still no excuse for the **** poor service speeds. I've been
in a 378 when the driver was obviously running late and they can get up and
go when they need to. The trains arn't at fault - the drivers are. Also quite
why the drivers feel they need to creep into every station at 10mph beats me
quite frankly. The ELL needs ATO and fast.

--
Spud

[email protected] · November 19th 15, 11:18 AM posted to uk.transport.london

In article , d () wrote:

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 21:29:03 +0000
eastender wrote:
On 2015-11-18 18:48:13 +0000, e27002 aurora said:

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:36:14 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

I took the ELL from Highbury this morning for the first time in about
6 months. Even after the obligatory 7 minute wait for the train to
leave it was still only a 3rd full in the middle of the morning rush
hour. Compared to last time I used it this is virtually empty. I can
only assume the poor service frequency and slow journey times (25 mins
to do the 4 miles to canada water this morning) have put people off as
they did me. What a waste of an asset.

This is sad to hear. The Overground has such great potential. But,
the speed on its routes are excruciatingly slow. Surely all that
investment should allow for a more sprightly system.

They can seem slow especially between stations close together but they
are main line not underground trains.

Even so, there's still no excuse for the **** poor service speeds. I've
been in a 378 when the driver was obviously running late and they can get
up and go when they need to. The trains arn't at fault - the drivers are.
Also quite why the drivers feel they need to creep into every station at
10mph beats me quite frankly. The ELL needs ATO and fast.

Are you suggesting the drivers set the timetables? That's what they have to
drive the trains to. So perhaps you are pointing the finger in the wrong
direction?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

[email protected] · November 19th 15, 11:30 AM posted to uk.transport.london

On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 06:18:09 -0600
wrote:
In article , d () wrote:
Even so, there's still no excuse for the **** poor service speeds. I've
been in a 378 when the driver was obviously running late and they can get
up and go when they need to. The trains arn't at fault - the drivers are.
Also quite why the drivers feel they need to creep into every station at
10mph beats me quite frankly. The ELL needs ATO and fast.

Are you suggesting the drivers set the timetables? That's what they have to
drive the trains to. So perhaps you are pointing the finger in the wrong
direction?

I imagine there's a certain amount of leaway built into the timetable to
allow for the idiotic decision to link it into the southern network with all
the vaguaries of the trains there. And I get the feeling the drivers use that
leaway to the max. They really do drive dog slow a lot of the time. It really
should have been kept as a self contained tube line with a once every 2 min
service from highbury to new cross(gate) with better interchange facilities
at the 2 southern stations.

--
Spud

Offramp · November 18th 15, 09:54 PM posted to uk.transport.london

Spritely.

Mizter T

On 18/11/2015 18:48, e27002 aurora wrote:

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:36:14 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

I took the ELL from Highbury this morning for the first time in about 6 months.
Even after the obligatory 7 minute wait for the train to leave it was still
only a 3rd full in the middle of the morning rush hour. Compared to last time
I used it this is virtually empty. I can only assume the poor service
frequency and slow journey times (25 mins to do the 4 miles to canada water
this morning) have put people off as they did me. What a waste of an asset.

This is sad to hear. The Overground has such great potential. [...]

A Spud rant saying the ELL is poorly patronised based on a single
observation shouldn't be mistaken for empirical facts. The line is very
well used.

[email protected] · November 18th 15, 08:32 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On Wednesday, 18 November 2015 09:36:16 UTC, wrote:
I took the ELL from Highbury this morning for the first time in about 6 months.
Even after the obligatory 7 minute wait for the train to leave it was still
only a 3rd full in the middle of the morning rush hour. Compared to last time
I used it this is virtually empty. I can only assume the poor service
frequency and slow journey times (25 mins to do the 4 miles to canada water
this morning) have put people off as they did me. What a waste of an asset.

Basil Jet[_4_] · November 18th 15, 09:44 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On 2015\11\18 21:32, wrote:

I don't know why, but I tend to go out via Canada Water and the Jubilee, and return all the way by Overground.

Can you try and work out why... it might be important. And exactly which
journey are you describing?

[email protected] · November 18th 15, 09:58 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On Wednesday, 18 November 2015 22:44:47 UTC, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\11\18 21:32, wrote:

I don't know why, but I tend to go out via Canada Water and the Jubilee, and return all the way by Overground.

Can you try and work out why... it might be important. And exactly which
journey are you describing?

60 or 405 Bus from Coulsdon to West Croydon, Overground to Canada Water, Jubilee Line to Stratford. Return from Stratford to West Croydon Overground all the way, changing at Canonbury and Dalston Kingsland. Bus from Croydon to Coulsdon.

Sometimes do other things, Croydon to Stratford by 75 and 108 bus for example, but that's even slower.

I can think of other journeys where I tend to go out and return by different routes, but for no obvious reason.

Basil Jet[_4_] · November 19th 15, 10:21 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On 2015\11\18 22:58, wrote:
On Wednesday, 18 November 2015 22:44:47 UTC, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\11\18 21:32, wrote:

I don't know why, but I tend to go out via Canada Water and the Jubilee, and return all the way by Overground.

Can you try and work out why... it might be important. And exactly which
journey are you describing?

60 or 405 Bus from Coulsdon to West Croydon, Overground to Canada Water, Jubilee Line to Stratford. Return from Stratford to West Croydon Overground all the way, changing at Canonbury and Dalston Kingsland. Bus from Croydon to Coulsdon.

I presume you mean changing at Canonbury and Dalston Junction. I'm not
sure why you don't just walk from DK to DJ.

Sometimes do other things, Croydon to Stratford by 75 and 108 bus for example, but that's even slower.

I can think of other journeys where I tend to go out and return by different routes, but for no obvious reason.

looks at bus map

Can I just say that the 455 is the oddest bus route shape I've ever
seen. I think there are three separate places where you could get off
and walk and be waiting for the same bus further on. But I digress.

You never get the train to East Croydon, tram to Elmers End, train to
Lewisham, DLR?
Would you go that way if Elmers to Lewisham had Bakerloo frequencies?
Would you go that way if the DLR was extended to Elmers End?
Would you go that way if the tram was extended to Lewisham?
Although, I suspect the questions will be redundant as soon as Crossrail
runs between Whitechapel and Stratford.

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