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On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100
Eric wrote: On 2015-11-24, d wrote: So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the Overground has started running into it. I'm sure this will end well. *cough* No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail opens they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool Street Crossrail platforms) except for some in the peak that will go into the existing Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17 - 18 will have been lost to make 16 and 17 long enough. Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some point want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to LS. -- Spud |
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On 2015-11-24, d wrote:
On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100 Eric wrote: On 2015-11-24, d wrote: So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the Overground has started running into it. I'm sure this will end well. *cough* No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail opens they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool Street Crossrail platforms) except for some in the peak that will go into the existing Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17 - 18 will have been lost to make 16 and 17 long enough. Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some point want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to LS. A platform which Overground trains could not get to without destroying the capacity of the station throat. Eric -- ms fnd in a lbry |
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On 2015\11\24 18:31, Eric wrote:
On 2015-11-24, d wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100 Eric wrote: On 2015-11-24, d wrote: So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the Overground has started running into it. I'm sure this will end well. *cough* No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail opens they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool Street Crossrail platforms) except for some in the peak that will go into the existing Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17 - 18 will have been lost to make 16 and 17 long enough. Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some point want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to LS. A platform which Overground trains could not get to without destroying the capacity of the station throat. I think he was suggesting that the tracks into the platforms all be budged over one, rather than that trains from the westernmost track use the easternmost platform. I have no idea how easy it would be to do that. |
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wrote: On 2015\11\24 18:31, Eric wrote: On 2015-11-24, d wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100 Eric wrote: On 2015-11-24, d wrote: So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the Overground has started running into it. I'm sure this will end well. *cough* No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail opens they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool Street Crossrail platforms) except for some in the peak that will go into the existing Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17 - 18 will have been lost to make 16 and 17 long enough. Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some point want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to LS. A platform which Overground trains could not get to without destroying the capacity of the station throat. I think he was suggesting that the tracks into the platforms all be budged over one, rather than that trains from the westernmost track use the easternmost platform. I have no idea how easy it would be to do that. Aren't 9 and 10 the only ones that can take the Norwich trains? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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(Paul Corfield) wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 12:15:10 -0600, wrote: The Overground doesn't use that side (the old Electric Lines) of Liverpool St, platforms 11-18. It uses some of the lowest numbered platforms (1-4?) though it shares with AGA on them. P1-7 - some peak LOROL services get as far across as Platform 7. As you say the station is shared with AGA who run trains out of platforms 1-15 in totality. TfL Rail have P16-18 routinely but can run out of other platforms if required. I think 9 & 10 are for Norwich services with AGA services on 11-15 separate from those on 1-8. As I am sure you know the services are "grouped" into batches of platforms to avoid excessive crossing of tracks in the station throat at busy times. Indeed. Which means that AGA services are subdivided into WA & mainline groups. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On 2015-11-24, wrote:
In article , (Basil Jet) wrote: On 2015\11\24 18:31, Eric wrote: On 2015-11-24, d wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100 Eric wrote: On 2015-11-24, d wrote: So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the Overground has started running into it. I'm sure this will end well. *cough* No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail opens they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool Street Crossrail platforms) except for some in the peak that will go into the existing Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17 - 18 will have been lost to make 16 and 17 long enough. Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some point want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to LS. A platform which Overground trains could not get to without destroying the capacity of the station throat. I think he was suggesting that the tracks into the platforms all be budged over one, rather than that trains from the westernmost track use the easternmost platform. I have no idea how easy it would be to do that. Aren't 9 and 10 the only ones that can take the Norwich trains? No. All are long enough except 16,17,18. In terms of track layout (getting to and from the fast lines), all of 5-14 seem to be possible, and I have seen all of 8-12 myself over the years. Eric -- ms fnd in a lbry |
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In article , (Eric) wrote:
On 2015-11-24, wrote: In article , (Basil Jet) wrote: On 2015\11\24 18:31, Eric wrote: On 2015-11-24, d wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100 Eric wrote: On 2015-11-24, d wrote: So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the Overground has started running into it. I'm sure this will end well. *cough* No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail opens they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool Street Crossrail platforms) except for some in the peak that will go into the existing Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17 - 18 will have been lost to make 16 and 17 long enough. Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some point want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to LS. A platform which Overground trains could not get to without destroying the capacity of the station throat. I think he was suggesting that the tracks into the platforms all be budged over one, rather than that trains from the westernmost track use the easternmost platform. I have no idea how easy it would be to do that. Aren't 9 and 10 the only ones that can take the Norwich trains? No. All are long enough except 16,17,18. In terms of track layout (getting to and from the fast lines), all of 5-14 seem to be possible, and I have seen all of 8-12 myself over the years. I thought 9 and 10 were longer than the rest. Or did that go in the rebuilding? I usually do see Norwich loco and DVT trains there. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On 2015-11-25, wrote:
In article , (Eric) wrote: On 2015-11-24, wrote: In article , (Basil Jet) wrote: On 2015\11\24 18:31, Eric wrote: On 2015-11-24, d wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 18:09:11 +0100 Eric wrote: On 2015-11-24, d wrote: So one platformn is being removed from LS just after the Overground has started running into it. I'm sure this will end well. *cough* No, the existing Shenfield trains use 16,17,18. When Crossrail opens they will go through the centre (i.e. the new Liverpool Street Crossrail platforms) except for some in the peak that will go into the existing Liverpool Street using platforms 16 and 17 - 18 will have been lost to make 16 and 17 long enough. Yes, so a platform has been lost. And this is when TfL will at some point want to increase the frequency of the Overground running to LS. A platform which Overground trains could not get to without destroying the capacity of the station throat. I think he was suggesting that the tracks into the platforms all be budged over one, rather than that trains from the westernmost track use the easternmost platform. I have no idea how easy it would be to do that. Aren't 9 and 10 the only ones that can take the Norwich trains? No. All are long enough except 16,17,18. In terms of track layout (getting to and from the fast lines), all of 5-14 seem to be possible, and I have seen all of 8-12 myself over the years. I thought 9 and 10 were longer than the rest. Or did that go in the rebuilding? Yes. I usually do see Norwich loco and DVT trains there. Yes, they are the usual platforms. 8 used to be used a lot at one time, but I don't know about now. Eric -- ms fnd in a lbry |
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